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How did the World Trade Center collapse?

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 15 Sep, 2010 08:32 am
@parados,
Just wanted to see how gullible you actually were, Parados, how ready you are to slurp down whatever pablum is fed to you.
parados
 
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Reply Wed 15 Sep, 2010 09:47 pm
@JTT,
Obviously not as gullible as you are JTT.

Now.. how do you think the towers came down?
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2010 09:04 am
@parados,
You know, Parados, I honestly don't know. But I do know that there are simply way way too many, shall we call them, irregularities, to just accept what you are being fed.

Pancake Theory, Jesus, what a ******* joke, eh?

The 9/11 Commission was a joke, from the outset. The NIST can't prove its findings, in fact, tests they've run or had run failed to help prove their preordained conclusions.

They failed to discuss obvious, not to mention strange, facts, eg. molten steel under the rubble of the towers.

Why do you figure there is always months of work that go into making sure a building falls straight down? What a waste of time, effort and money when you can just throw in some kerosene, blow a couple of randomly chosen supports and have two 110 storey buildings drop into their footprint?

Why build foundries when all you have to do is use diesel fuel and the friction induced by a fall to melt steel?

Patrick Henry stated:
We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth... Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those, who having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not..?
For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it might cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know.. it -- now. 1775

parados
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2010 10:10 am
@JTT,
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They failed to discuss obvious, not to mention strange, facts, eg. molten steel under the rubble of the towers.

??
Can you provide solid evidence of the molten steel?
There is none. There is only anecdotal evidence that is unsupported by any actual evidence.

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Why do you figure there is always months of work that go into making sure a building falls straight down?

You do months of work so you don't have parts of the falling building hit other buildings.
At least 3 buildings were have been demolished or destroyed because they were hit by debris from the collapse of the towers. Many more were damaged.

The only joke is you JTT. You claim we shouldn't listen to the NIST because they can't prove their findings. Then you present idiocy that not only can't prove it's findings but can't even show that it's evidence is true.
talk72000
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2010 01:41 pm
Of course, there is a lot of suspicion as the rubble of the WTC were carted off without any forensic analysis considering the enormity of the crime.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2010 01:54 pm
@talk72000,
talk72000 wrote:

Of course, there is a lot of suspicion as the rubble of the WTC were carted off without any forensic analysis considering the enormity of the crime.

What forensic analysis wasn't done before the rubble was carted off?

Be specific.


talk72000
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2010 01:57 pm
@parados,
I mean there was no proper forensic analysis done. The steel work were sold off instead of being stored somewhere to be thoroughly analysed. All kinds of speculation is now generated.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2010 04:27 pm
@talk72000,
You mean all kinds of wild ass speculation by people that need to tighten down their tin foil hats. But that would happen even if the steel was still there. They would instead just be arguing that the government was hiding the truth and not letting other people test it. If the government let other people test it, then would just argue that the government had bought off those testers. And the speculation goes on and on and there is no valid reason they will listen to.
talk72000
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2010 04:56 pm
@parados,
If the steel were there there could professors saying their bit and charts to follow. Whether the steel melted or not would show in the shape of the joints and so on.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 16 Sep, 2010 06:12 pm
@talk72000,
The steel ended up a lot of places..

500 tons of it is on its way to be displayed at a National Iron and Steel Museum.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/14/national/main6395133.shtml

Some of it will be displayed at a museum at ground zero

Some of it toured the country.
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/220967483uaYjeV


Some people could see every piece of steel and would argue that the stuff that was melted was kept from them. It has nothing to do with rational thought talk. Lack of evidence isn't evidence and never will be. But some people are so out there that they think it is.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 09:17 am
@parados,
That is such nonsense, Parados. When there is a plane crash, 95% isn't hauled off to the dump. At a crime scene, ALL EVIDENCE is saved because no one can know what is important or not important.

This type of independent investigation is the very essence of a democracy. You got none of that in any investigation done wrt 9/11. That absolutely screams BANANA REPUBLIC.

Why do you so willfully try to hide the truth? It's not like George Bush and the gang ever lied, right?

There were no safety concerns with the dust from the collapsed towers. There were WMDs in Iraq, all over the place, incipient nuclear bombs too just a bit down the road.
parados
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 03:47 pm
@JTT,
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That is such nonsense, Parados. When there is a plane crash, 95% isn't hauled off to the dump. At a crime scene, ALL EVIDENCE is saved because no one can know what is important or not important.

First of all, 95% of the 'evidence' wasn't hauled off to the dump. The steel was sent to a site for examination. There is video of it being examined. Your claim that they sent 95% of the evidence to the dump without examining it is completely made up.



But....
When a house is burned down because of arson, they don't save all the evidence for 10 years. They examine it and then tear down the remains and send it to the dump.


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This type of independent investigation is the very essence of a democracy. You got none of that in any investigation done wrt 9/11. That absolutely screams BANANA REPUBLIC.
No, it screams you are looney tunes. The steel was examined. If you are complaining that the concrete was sent to the dump then why aren't you arguing that the concrete was involved in bringing down the buildings?
parados
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 03:54 pm
@parados,
Myth vs reality

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The word landfill fails to convey this otherworldly place. Fresh Kills is officially an NYPD crime scene, a fenced encampment of 175 acres guarded at three checkpoints. More than that, it is an archaeological phenomenon – most of what's left of the lost civilization that until September 11 existed across the bay at the World Trade Center.

Here are the remains of one devastating day, more than 650,000 tons already and much more on the way, hauled by mud-scarred dump trucks and heaving barges, all to be disentangled, spread out and examined. Mechanical sifters and sorters separate detritus large from small, sending humble little bits hurtling down conveyor belts that roll from dawn to long after nightfall.


Your complaint about the evidence being hauled to a dump is complete hogwash JTT. It's made up so you can pretend you have more evidence than you do.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 04:10 pm
@parados,
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The steel was sent to a site for examination.


How much steel was sent to a site for examination? a site? What site?

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But....
When a house is burned down because of arson, they don't save all the evidence for 10 years. They examine it and then tear down the remains and send it to the dump.


We'll wait until we hear how much "it" was examined.
parados
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 05:28 pm
@JTT,
See my post just above yours.
parados
 
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Reply Fri 17 Sep, 2010 05:47 pm
@parados,
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 12:17 pm
@parados,
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Your complaint about the evidence being hauled to a dump is complete hogwash JTT. It's made up so you can pretend you have more evidence than you do.


Well, that quote of yours sure did change my mind, Parados. You know, it actually said the word examined. No pablum swallowing on your part here. I can see that it's all rigorous science; you'd have nothing less, right?


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Why The Truth About 9/11 Is Censored By The Media

If the government's account of 9/11 is not accurate, wouldn't the media have been "all over it"?

Isn't the fact that most mainstream media sources don't spend much time covering these issues show that there's nothing there?

No.

Self-Censorship by Journalists

Initially, there has been self-censorship by journalists.

Several months after 9/11, famed news anchor Dan Rather told the BBC that American reporters were practicing "a form of self-censorship":

"there was a time in South Africa that people would put flaming tires around peoples' necks if they dissented. And in some ways the fear is that you will be necklaced here, you will have a flaming tire of lack of patriotism put around your neck. Now it is that fear that keeps journalists from asking the toughest of the tough questions.... And again, I am humbled to say, I do not except myself from this criticism.

"What we are talking about here - whether one wants to recognise it or not, or call it by its proper name or not - is a form of self-censorship."

Indeed, journalists who have even asked innocuous questions about 9/11 have been threatened.

And, referring to another topic, a leading MSNBC news commentator has said that there is self-censorship in the American media, and that:

"You can rock the boat, but you can never say that the entire ocean is in trouble .... You cannot say: By the way, there's something wrong with our .... system".

As Air Force Colonel and key Pentagon official Karen Kwiatkowski has written (at page 26):

"I have been told by reporters that they will not report their own insights or contrary evaluations of the official 9/11 story, because to question the government story about 9/11 is to question the very foundations of our entire modern belief system regarding our government, our country, and our way of life. To be charged with questioning these foundations is far more serious than being labeled a disgruntled conspiracy nut or anti-government traitor, or even being sidelined or marginalized within an academic, government service, or literary career. To question the official 9/11 story is simply and fundamentally revolutionary. In this way, of course, questioning the official story is also simply and fundamentally American."


Censorship by Higher-Ups

If journalists do want to speak out about 9/11, they also are subject to tremendous pressure by their editors or producers to kill the story.

The Pulitzer prize-winning reporter who uncovered the Iraq prison torture scandal and the Mai Lai massacre in Vietnam, Seymour Hersh, said:

"All of the institutions we thought would protect us -- particularly the press, but also the military, the bureaucracy, the Congress -- they have failed. The courts . . . the jury's not in yet on the courts. So all the things that we expect would normally carry us through didn't. The biggest failure, I would argue, is the press, because that's the most glaring....

Q: What can be done to fix the (media) situation?

[Long pause] You'd have to fire or execute ninety percent of the editors and executives. You'd actually have to start promoting people from the newsrooms to be editors who you didn't think you could control. And they're not going to do that."

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2005/10/hit-them-with-truth.html


It's that damn left wing media that Okie and Ican and a million other idiots are always talking about.

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talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 12:19 pm
@parados,
It reminds me of Bush propaganda - Selected evidence.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 01:52 pm
@parados,
Now there's a video that illustrates the type of rigorous scientific "examination" that a person would want to see of a crime scene, eh, Parados? Minimum wage boots tramping all over the place, "not a uniform or anyone official" on the site, or words to that effect.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 02:26 pm
@parados,
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/621352/9_11_mysteries_bent_steel/

Go to:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/thermite.htm?q=thermite.htm

Use CrtlF to locate the following sentence;

A thermite reaction generates large amounts of ultraviolet radiation:

There it reads,

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On 27 September, the officials ordered 2000 gallons of [Pyrocool FEF], which when added to water produces a slippery, low-viscosity foam. ... Berger adds that "Pyrocool also contains two powerful ultra-violet absorbers." [New Scientist]


Was this done to prevent New Yorkers from getting an Autumn tan?

Look at the picture immediately below this quote from New Scientist. Now I'm no metallurgical expert but I have done some welding and construction. That beam above the fireman's head wasn't broken/twisted off in the collapse. Why is there hardened slag/hardened metal clinging to it?
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