MORE GUN FREEDOM FOR THE JOY OF ARIZONA?

maporsche wrote:

farmerman wrote:

FLORIDA did have an "Open Carry" law but this was repealed while I was working in Imokolee (which was a kind of wild west town in Florida) ASeveral gunfights and murders prompted the repeal of this section of the law. People will do what is on the lowest common denominator of behavior.

Wow, I lived in AZ for 8 years, and during that time AZ had an open carry policy.
I wasn't witness to any gun fights; and they were pretty common.

Gunfights were common?

Kind of thought that was what you meant.

Personally, I prefer conceled carry over open carry for several reasons.

I guess I dont understand what "FDull gun freedom" means wrt ALaska.

I think you should develop a similar obsession with things less lethal, like kitchen appliances.

A respected domestic violence and anger management counselor in Fairfax County was arraigned in federal court Thursday after he allegedly pulled a gun on two men who he believed were blocking his car on an Annandale street last week.
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Avila is a single parent and former priest from Colombia who was highly regarded by judges in the Fairfax Juvenile and Domestic Relations Court, Odio said. Judges and lawyers often referred people to Avila for pretrial or probationary counseling, particularly because he is bilingual.
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The driver appeared to be motioning to Dumas, so the marshal moved closer. Then, Whitwell wrote, Dumas "noticed that Avila was aiming a gun at him. Avila was holding the gun and resting his hand on the top of the door with the driver's window completely open," the affidavit states.

I'm a bit confused by your apparent support for overriding property rights for gun rights.
If I'm a bar owner and I say no guns on my property,
what is the issue?
It's not a public access issue.

I can insist on a dress code or insist on no pets, so why would I have to allow someone to bring a gun on my property, even in the parking lot? Professors being allowed to carry falls in the same category for private institutions. Do private colleges have to allow teachers or students to carry? Maybe the proposed law is only refering to state schools.

Just to carry this idea further, I did a search on "road rage gun" and restricted it to the last year. I was surprised (really surprised) by the number of hits I got. I read several articles to make sure I was seeing real incidents and apparently it is fairly common (not typical, but common enough) that a gun will become involved in road rage cases. Even restricted to one week, the search pulled up 70K hits. Many of those are off topic, but a good number refer to someone pulling a gun in traffic.

we vu it as a matter of life and death.

The property owner 's demand may cause the loss of life
of a man who complies therewith, as at Virginia Tech; if the students
had all armed themselves, thay coud have killed Cho sooner,
defending their lives.

we vu it as a matter of life and death.

If you vu[sic] it as a matter of life and death then why would you risk your life
by going somewhere you can't carry a gun?
This is pretty basic stuff David.
You are NOT forced to go into dangerous situations and if you feel
private property is dangerous if you don't have your gun, you are entitled to NOT go.

You are NOT entitled to bring your gun with you if you do decide to go.

The property owner 's demand may cause the loss of life
of a man who complies therewith, as at Virginia Tech; if the students
had all armed themselves, thay coud have killed Cho sooner,
defending their lives.

Gosh David. Don't you think you should arm yourself
and stand on public property just outside the private property so you can rescue someone?

IF u accept the concept that private property owner (a bar) can morally be FORCED
to accept blacks and Baptists against the owner 's will,
then it is not much of a stretch to extend it to people who wish
NOT to play Russian Roulette by going around defensively naked,
just taking their chances and hoping for the best.

What is your vu of the sanctity of private real property
(a bar) from entry by blacks or Moslems? People who carry guns
do so to keep themselves alive in a predatory emergency;
we vu it as a matter of life and death.

This is NOT a rhetorical question; its the information gathering kind.

What is your vu of the sanctity of private real property
(a bar) from entry by blacks or Moslems? People who carry guns
do so to keep themselves alive in a predatory emergency;
we vu it as a matter of life and death.

This is NOT a rhetorical question; its the information gathering kind.

My view is that my property is my property and that I set the rules to a great extent. If I'm running a public establishment, I agree that banning someone because of their religion or skin color is wrong although if your religion involved setting up a rug on the floor and bowing to Mecca or dancing naked under the stars, I wouldn't have an issue with someone asking them to take it off their property as long as they are welcome to come back when not creating a distraction to other patrons, but if someone wants to set a dress code or ban pets, I think he is well within his perogatives. Likewise, if he wants to ban guns for the safety of his patrons and employees, I think that is within his rights. If you feel that makes his establishment unsafe, then don't go. Someone cannot check their race or religion at the door, but he certainly can check his pets or guns. Likewise (in a first amendment analogy), if you want to buy an ad espousing your beliefs, I'm all for it, but I don't have to play it at my place.