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Number 85 - To see a tree asmiling.

 
 
Stradee
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jan, 2010 12:53 pm
Mother Nature has the last word...

http://www.truthout.org/topstories/10910vh3


Factory Farmed Meat Can Trigger a Global Pandemic That Wipes Out Sixty
Percent of Those Infected

Saturday 09 January 2010

by: Kathy Freston | AlterNet

The chicken and pork industries have wrought unprecedented changes in
bird and swine flu. Billions could die in a deadly flu pandemic, the
likes of which we have never seen.

I was intrigued (and disturbed) by a book I just read online by Michael
Greger, M.D. about the potential of a deadly flu pandemic, the likes of
which we have never seen. Greger very clearly delineates how a virus
begins, mutates, and becomes dangerous. As with so many problems we are
seeing lately -- environmental or health -- factory farmed meat seems to
be a big part of the cause. A graduate of the Cornell University School
of Agriculture and the Tufts University School of Medicine, Michael
Greger, M.D., serves as Director of Public Health and Animal Agriculture
at The Humane Society of the United States. An internationally
recognized lecturer, he has presented at the Conference on World
Affairs, the National Institutes of Health, and the International Bird
Flu Summit, testified before Congress, and was an expert witness in
defense of Oprah Winfrey at the infamous "meat defamation" trial. His
recent scientific publications in American Journal of Preventive
Medicine, Biosecurity and Bioterrorism, Critical Reviews in
Microbiology, and the International Journal of Food Safety, Nutrition,
and Public Health explore the public health implications of
industrialized animal agriculture.

Kathy Freston: How likely are we to have a bird or swine flu that turns
into something really deadly and widespread?

Michael Greger: Unfortunately we don't know enough about the biology of
these viruses to make accurate predictions, but influenza is definitely
the disease to keep an eye on. AIDS has killed millions but is only
fluid-borne. Malaria has killed millions but is relatively restricted to
equatorial regions. Flu viruses are the only known pathogen capable of
infecting literally billions of people in a matter of months. Right now
we are in the midst of a flu pandemic caused by the swine-origin
influenza virus H1N1. Millions of people have become infected and
thousands have died, but H1N1 is not particularly virulent. There are
other flu viruses that have emerged in recent decades such as the highly
"pathogenic" (disease-causing) bird flu H5N1 that may have the potential
to cause much greater human harm.

KF: What kind of damage could it do in terms of population mortality?

MG: Currently H5N1 kills approximately 60% of those it infects, so you
don't even get a coin toss chance of survival. That's a mortality rate
on par with some strains of Ebola. Thankfully, only a few hundred people
have become infected. Should a virus like H5N1 trigger a pandemic,
though, the results could be catastrophic. During a pandemic as many as
2 or 3 billion people can become infected. A 60% mortality rate is
simply unimaginable. Unfortunately, it's not as far-fetched as it
sounds. Both China and Indonesia have reported sporadic outbreaks of the
H5N1 bird flu in pigs and sporadic outbreaks of the new pandemic virus
H1N1 in pigs as well. Should a pig become co-infected with both strains,
a hybrid mutant could theoretically arise with human transmissibility of
swine flu and the human lethality of bird flu. That's the kind of
nightmare scenario that keeps virologists up at night.

KF: How does a virus like that kill? What does it do to the body?

MG: Most often it starts with standard flu-like symptoms--fever, cough,
and muscle aches. Instead of just infecting the respiratory tract,
though, H5N1 may spread throughout the body and infect the brain, for
example, leaving victims in a coma. Other early symptoms atypical of
regular seasonal flu include vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, chest
pain, and bleeding from the nose and gums. Death is usually from acute
fulminant respiratory distress, in which one basically drowns in one's
own blood-tinted respiratory secretions.

Most of the damage is actually done by one's own immune system. H5N1
seems to trigger a "cytokine storm," an overexuberant immune reaction to
the virus. These cytokine chemical messengers set off such a massive
inflammatory reaction that on autopsy the lungs of victims may be
virus-free, meaning that your body wins, but in burning down the village
in order to save it you may not live through the process. In fact the
reason why young people may be so vulnerable is because they have the
strongest immune systems, and it's one's immune system that may kill you.

KF: How easy is it to contract the virus once it's in full swing?

MG: Catching a pandemic flu virus is essentially as easy as catching the
regular seasonal flu. During a flu pandemic about 1 in 5 people may fall
ill, but there are certainly ways to minimize one's risk via
hand-washing and social distancing techniques. In a really severe
pandemic, though, the advice would be to "shelter-in-place," isolating
oneself and one's family in one's home until the danger passes. During
such a pandemic the Department of Homeland Security uses as a key
planning assumption that the American population would be asked to
self-quarantine for up to 90 days per wave of the pandemic.

KF: Why do we have this potential disaster on our hands?

MG: The industrialization of the chicken and pork industries is thought
to have wrought these unprecedented changes in avian and swine
influenza. No one even got sick from bird flu for eight decades before a
new strain, H5N1, started killing children in 1997. Likewise, in pigs
here in the U.S. swine flu was totally stable for 8 decades before a
pig-bird-human hybrid mutant virus appeared in commercial pig
populations in 1998. It was that strain that combined with a Eurasian
swine flu virus ten years later to spawn the flu pandemic of 2009,
sickening millions of young people around the world.

The first hybrid mutant swine flu virus discovered in the United States
was at a factory farm in North Carolina in which thousands of pregnant
sows were confined in "gestation crates," veal crate-like metal stalls
barely larger than their bodies. These kind of stressful, filthy,
overcrowded conditions can provide a breeding ground for the emergence
and spread of new diseases.

So far, only thousands of people have died from swine flu. Unless we
radically change the way chickens and pigs are raised for food, though,
it may only be a matter of time before a catastrophic pandemic arises.

KF: If factory farms are to blame, why have there been plagues and flu's
throughout time, when factory farms were not around?

MG: Before the domestication of birds about 2,500 years ago, human
influenza likely didn't even exist. Similarly, before the domestication
of livestock there was no measles, small pox, and many other diseases
that have plagued humanity since they were born in the barnyard about
10,000 years ago. Once diseases jump the species barrier from the animal
kingdom, they can spread independently throughout human populations with
often tragic consequences.

The worst plague in human history was the 1918 flu pandemic triggered by
a bird flu virus that went on to kill upwards of 50 million people. The
crowded, stressful, unhygienic trench warfare conditions during World
War I that led to the emergence of the 1918 virus are replicated today
in nearly every industrial chicken shed and egg operation. Instead of
millions of vulnerable hosts to evolve within back then, we now have
billions of chickens intensively confined in factory farms, arguably the
Perfect Storm environment for the emergence and spread of hypervirulent,
so-called "predator-type" viruses like H5N1. The 1918 virus killed about
2.5% of the people it infected, 20 times deadlier than the seasonal flu.
H5N1 is now killing 60% of infected people, 20 times deadlier than the
1918 virus. So if a virus like 1918 gained easy human transmissibility,
it could make the 1918 pandemic--the deadliest plague ever--look like
the regular flu.

KF: Does handling or eating chicken or pork increase the chances of
contracting the virus?

MG: There are certainly lots of viruses people can pick up from handling
fresh meat, such as those that cause unpleasant conditions like
contagious pustular dermatitis and a well-defined medical condition
known as "butcher's warts." Even the wives of butchers appear to be at
higher risk for cervical cancer, a cancer definitively associated with
wart virus exposure. Cooking can destroy the flu virus, but the same can
be said for all the bugs that sicken 76 million Americans a year. The
problem is that people can cross-contaminate kitchen surfaces with fresh
or frozen meat before pathogens have been cooked to death. There have
been a number of cases of human influenza linked to the consumption of
poultry products, but it's not clear whether swine flu viruses get into
the meat. Regardless, the primary risk is not in the meat, but how meat
is produced. Once a new disease is spawned from factory farm conditions
it may be able spread person to person, and at that point animals--live
or dead--may be out of the picture.

KF: How do we stave off this viral apocalypse?

MG: We need to give these animals more breathing room. The Pew
Commission on Industrial Farm Animal Production, which included a former
U.S. Secretary of Agriculture, concluded that industrialized animal
agriculture posed "unacceptable" public health risks and called for
gestation crates for pigs to be banned as they're already doing in
Europe, noting that "[p]ractices that restrict natural motion, such as
sow gestation crates, induce high levels of stress in the animals and
threaten their health, which in turn may threaten human health."

Studies have shown that measures as simple as providing straw for pigs
so they don't have the immune-crippling stress of living on bare
concrete their whole lives can significantly cut down on swine flu
transmission rates. Such a minimal act--providing straw--yet we often
deny these animals even this modicum of mercy, both to their detriment
and, potentially, to ours as well.

The American Public Health Association, the largest organization of
public health professionals in the world, has called for a moratorium on
factory farms. In fact the APHA journal, the American Journal of Public
Health, published an editorial going beyond just calling for an end to
factory farms. It questioned the prudence of raising so many animals in
the first place: "It is curious...that changing the way humans treat
animals--most basically, ceasing to eat them or, at the very least,
radically limiting the quantity of them that are eaten--is largely off
the radar as a significant preventive measure. Such a change, if
sufficiently adopted or imposed, could still reduce the chances of the
much-feared influenza epidemic. It would be even more likely to prevent
unknown future diseases that, in the absence of this change, may result
from farming animals intensively and from killing them for food. Yet
humanity does not consider this option....Those who consume animals not
only harm those animals and endanger themselves, but they also threaten
the well-being of other humans who currently or will later inhabit the
planet....t is time for humans to remove their heads from the sand
and recognize the risk to themselves that can arise from their
maltreatment of other species."

KF: That is a pretty stunning statement! I know people will
wonder...."If we give up animal protein, will our immune system be
compromised... or will it be enhanced?"

MG: We've known for 20 years that the immune function of those eating
vegetarian may be superior to those eating meat. First published in
1989, researchers at the German Cancer Research Center found that
although vegetarians had the same number of disease-fighting white blood
cells compared to meat eaters, the immune cells of vegetarians were
twice as effective in destroying their targets--not only cancer cells,
but virus-infected cells as well. So a more plant-based diet may protect
both now and in the future against animal-borne diseases like pandemic
influenza.

KF: This has been a real awakening. For more information on how to move
toward a plant-based, vegan diet, check out my guide to conscious eating
on HuffPost.

Kathy Freston is a health and wellness expert and a New York Times
best-selling author. Her latest book is The Quantum Wellness Cleanse: A
21 Day Essential Guide to Healing Your Body, Mind and Spirit. Freston
promotes a body/mind/spirit approach to health and happiness that
includes a concentration on healthy diet, emotional introspection,
spiritual practice, and loving relationships. Kathy’s recent television
appearances include The Oprah Winfrey Show, Ellen, The View and Good
Morning America. www.kathyfreston.com

ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jan, 2010 01:52 pm
@Stradee,
clicked
clicked
wondered about Stradee and Aa, with the rock 'em, sock 'em action in the ground

you know it's cold here when the little dogs don't beg and fuss to be outside - and they rush back in if they've needed to go outside
Stradee
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jan, 2010 02:29 pm
@ehBeth,
all clicked

good god, beth! that's cold weather!

have the windows opened today...go figure the weather

spending way to much time indoors though. winter coat sized up...new health regime begins today
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jan, 2010 02:36 pm
@Stradee,
windows open

Shocked

thud

that's be a shocking thing in Ontario in January

sumac
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jan, 2010 09:22 am
Clicking and staying warm.
Izzie
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jan, 2010 09:28 am
@danon5,
danon5 wrote:


http://s7.directupload.net/images/100102/pid4flg4.jpg


OHHHHHHHHHHHH.... I LOVE THIS!!!!!!!!!!! WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW!

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((clickers)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))


brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr here

clickety clack
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Izzie
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jan, 2010 09:29 am
@danon5,
danon5 wrote:

Let's keep on DANCIN !!!
http://s12.directupload.net/images/100104/jt59s7uv.jpg


FABULOUS....................... FAB FAB FAB!


<waves to all>
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sumac
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jan, 2010 09:32 am
Interesting review article, Stradee. I read the whole thing.
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danon5
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jan, 2010 09:47 am
@sumac,
Stradee, that story takes out my defense strategy - entrenchment.........!! Wow, what dummies we humans are and so quick to endanger all animals for the holy dollar - I guess it used to be sea shells and pieces of flint that were valuable.

ehBeth, it's still freezing down here but I'm sure not as cold as you. We have been down into the teens at night and approx 25 - 30 F during the day. It's due to start get warmer. Not enough to open a window though.

Stay warm Wildclickers - except for you Stradee.........See me green with envy.

----------Edit back maybe ------------

Thanks Iz !!!!!!!!!!!!
Stradee
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jan, 2010 05:14 pm
@ehBeth,
again today! feels like a cool Spring day without sunshine

tonight rain, and another storm following w/ snow at higher elevations

last ice and snow storm began the same way so i took a trip to town and stocked up just in case

please stay warm, beth!

hi ya izzzeeeeeeeeee

dan does beautiful work he does...

http://rainforest.care2.com/i?p=583091674








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Stradee
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jan, 2010 05:28 pm
@danon5,
Dan, you know what's worse? CAFO's know what they're doing, know the animals and workers suffer horribly, but don't give a ****. That's the killing part. People can stop them though. Don't purchase their 'products'.

sue, glad you read the article. Good science info.

Dan, I'll bet in the next few days i'll be freezing me kazoo...wrapped in a snuggie...and hoping no power outages happen.

Stay warm and safe wildclickers.
danon5
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jan, 2010 06:47 pm
@Stradee,
Saw on the Nat'l news yesterday - Europe is virtually entirely covered with snow and ice. WOW - I read several years ago that one of the results of global warming is regional (ice ages) over the planet that lasts for years. They thought Europe would be one of the first places hit. Not that that is what is now happening.

Stradee go into the forest and look for a dead tree and bring it home for warmth - Justin Case......

ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jan, 2010 09:54 pm
@danon5,
walked
worked
danced
clicked

danon - ask Izzie to give you the link to the yabber liner where she has posted photos of what it looks like in her part of snowy England (and gives a great narrative)

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sumac
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jan, 2010 09:34 am
Fascinating article. Long, but fascinating.

January 12, 2010
Deciphering the Chatter of Monkeys
By NICHOLAS WADE

Walking through the Tai forest of Ivory Coast, Klaus Zuberbühler could hear the calls of the Diana monkeys, but the babble held no meaning for him.

That was in 1990. Today, after nearly 20 years of studying animal communication, he can translate the forest’s sounds. This call means a Diana monkey has seen a leopard. That one means it has sighted another predator, the crowned eagle. “In our experience time and again, it’s a humbling experience to realize there is so much more information being passed in ways which hadn’t been noticed before,” said Dr. Zuberbühler, a psychologist at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland.

Do apes and monkeys have a secret language that has not yet been decrypted? And if so, will it resolve the mystery of how the human faculty for language evolved? Biologists have approached the issue in two ways, by trying to teach human language to chimpanzees and other species, and by listening to animals in the wild.

The first approach has been propelled by people’s intense desire " perhaps reinforced by childhood exposure to the loquacious animals in cartoons " to communicate with other species. Scientists have invested enormous effort in teaching chimpanzees language, whether in the form of speech or signs. A New York Times reporter who understands sign language, Boyce Rensberger, was able in 1974 to conduct what may be the first newspaper interview with another species when he conversed with Lucy, a signing chimp. She invited him up her tree, a proposal he declined, said Mr. Rensberger, who is now at M.I.T.

But with a few exceptions, teaching animals human language has proved to be a dead end. They should speak, perhaps, but they do not. They can communicate very expressively " think how definitely dogs can make their desires known " but they do not link symbolic sounds together in sentences or have anything close to language.

Better insights have come from listening to the sounds made by animals in the wild. Vervet monkeys were found in 1980 to have specific alarm calls for their most serious predators. If the calls were recorded and played back to them, the monkeys would respond appropriately. They jumped into bushes on hearing the leopard call, scanned the ground at the snake call, and looked up when played the eagle call.

It is tempting to think of the vervet calls as words for “leopard,” “snake” or “eagle,” but that is not really so. The vervets do not combine the calls with other sounds to make new meanings. They do not modulate them, so far as is known, to convey that a leopard is 10, or 100, feet away. Their alarm calls seem less like words and more like a person saying “Ouch!” " a vocal representation of an inner mental state rather than an attempt to convey exact information.

But the calls do have specific meaning, which is a start. And the biologists who analyzed the vervet calls, Robert Seyfarth and Dorothy Cheney of the University of Pennsylvania, detected another significant element in primates’ communication when they moved on to study baboons. Baboons are very sensitive to who stands where in their society’s hierarchy. If played a recording of a superior baboon threatening an inferior, and the latter screaming in terror, baboons will pay no attention " this is business as usual in baboon affairs. But when researchers concoct a recording in which an inferior’s threat grunt precedes a superior’s scream, baboons will look in amazement toward the loudspeaker broadcasting this apparent revolution in their social order.

Baboons evidently recognize the order in which two sounds are heard, and attach different meanings to each sequence. They and other species thus seem much closer to people in their understanding of sound sequences than in their production of them. “The ability to think in sentences does not lead them to speak in sentences,” Drs. Seyfarth and Cheney wrote in their book “Baboon Metaphysics.”

Some species may be able to produce sounds in ways that are a step or two closer to human language. Dr. Zuberbühler reported last month that Campbell’s monkeys, which live in the forests of the Ivory Coast, can vary individual calls by adding suffixes, just as a speaker of English changes a verb’s present tense to past by adding an “-ed.”

The Campbell’s monkeys give a “krak” alarm call when they see a leopard. But adding an “-oo” changes it to a generic warning of predators. One context for the krak-oo sound is when they hear the leopard alarm calls of another species, the Diana monkey. The Campbell’s monkeys would evidently make good reporters since they distinguish between leopards they have observed directly (krak) and those they have heard others observe (krak-oo).

Even more remarkably, the Campbell’s monkeys can combine two calls to generate a third with a different meaning. The males have a “Boom boom” call, which means “I’m here, come to me.” When booms are followed by a series of krak-oos, the meaning is quite different, Dr. Zuberbühler says. The sequence means “Timber! Falling tree!”

Dr. Zuberbühler has observed a similar achievement among putty-nosed monkeys that combine their “pyow” call (warning of a leopard) with their “hack” call (warning of a crowned eagle) into a sequence that means “Let’s get out of here in a real hurry.”

Apes have larger brains than monkeys and might be expected to produce more calls. But if there is an elaborate code of chimpanzee communication, their human cousins have not yet cracked it. Chimps make a food call that seems to have a lot of variation, perhaps depending on the perceived quality of the food. How many different meanings can the call assume? “You would need the animals themselves to decide how many meaningful calls they can discriminate,” Dr. Zuberbühler said. Such a project, he estimates, could take a lifetime of research.

Monkeys and apes possess many of the faculties that underlie language. They hear and interpret sequences of sounds much like people do. They have good control over their vocal tract and could produce much the same range of sounds as humans. But they cannot bring it all together.

This is particularly surprising because language is so useful to a social species. Once the infrastructure of language is in place, as is almost the case with monkeys and apes, the faculty might be expected to develop very quickly by evolutionary standards. Yet monkeys have been around for 30 million years without saying a single sentence. Chimps, too, have nothing resembling language, though they shared a common ancestor with humans just five million years ago. What is it that has kept all other primates locked in the prison of their own thoughts?

Drs. Seyfarth and Cheney believe that one reason may be that they lack a “theory of mind”; the recognition that others have thoughts. Since a baboon does not know or worry about what another baboon knows, it has no urge to share its knowledge. Dr. Zuberbühler stresses an intention to communicate as the missing factor. Children from the youngest ages have a great desire to share information with others, even though they gain no immediate benefit in doing so. Not so with other primates.

“In principle, a chimp could produce all the sounds a human produces, but they don’t do so because there has been no evolutionary pressure in this direction,” Dr. Zuberbühler said. “There is nothing to talk about for a chimp because he has no interest in talking about it.” At some point in human evolution, on the other hand, people developed the desire to share thoughts, Dr. Zuberbühler notes. Luckily for them, all the underlying systems of perceiving and producing sounds were already in place as part of the primate heritage, and natural selection had only to find a way of connecting these systems with thought.

Yet it is this step that seems the most mysterious of all. Marc D. Hauser, an expert on animal communication at Harvard, sees the uninhibited interaction between different neural systems as critical to the development of language. “For whatever reason, maybe accident, our brains are promiscuous in a way that animal brains are not, and once this emerges it’s explosive,” he said.

In animal brains, by contrast, each neural system seems to be locked in place and cannot interact freely with others. “Chimps have tons to say but can’t say it,” Dr. Hauser said. Chimpanzees can read each other’s goals and intentions, and do lots of political strategizing, for which language would be very useful. But the neural systems that compute these complex social interactions have not been married to language.

Dr. Hauser is trying to find out whether animals can appreciate some of the critical aspects of language, even if they cannot produce it. He and Ansgar Endress reported last year that cotton-top tamarins can distinguish a word added in front of another word from the same word added at the end. This may seem like the syntactical ability to recognize a suffix or prefix, but Dr. Hauser thinks it is just the ability to recognize when one thing comes before another and has little to do with real syntax.

“I’m becoming pessimistic,” he said of the efforts to explore whether animals have a form of language. “I conclude that the methods we have are just impoverished and won’t get us to where we want to be as far as demonstrating anything like semantics or syntax.”

Yet, as is evident from Dr. Zuberbühler’s research, there are many seemingly meaningless sounds in the forest that convey information in ways perhaps akin to language.
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sumac
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jan, 2010 09:45 am
January 12, 2010
Editorial
No More ‘Candy Store’

Ken Salazar promised as the interior secretary to strike a better balance between the need for oil and gas development and the need to protect public lands in the Rocky Mountain West. In the Bush years, it was all about the drilling. The administration aggressively leased out millions of acres of public land and issued more than 50,000 drilling permits, in many cases risking wildlife habitat and ignoring legally mandated environmental reviews.

Mr. Salazar, who last year rescinded some potentially destructive leases in Utah, has taken another important step. At a news conference last week, he announced that the Bureau of Land Management " the agency that manages the bulk of the public lands " would now conduct more rigorous reviews of proposed leases, increase its consultation with other public agencies charged with protecting the environment and allow for more input from the public on future drilling decisions.

The bureau, he declared bluntly, would no longer be a “candy store” for an oil and gas industry that (mixing his metaphors) had been allowed to act like “kings of the world” during the Bush years.

This drew a predictably wounded response from industry and its political patrons like Representative Dan Boren, an Oklahoma Democrat, who called Mr. Salazar’s comments “beyond the pale” and an “insult” to an industry already in “misery.”

Last time we looked, the oil and gas business remains robustly profitable, despite falling gas prices. Besides, as Mr. Salazar observed, the industry can only gain if environmental rules are enforced because there will be fewer lawsuits and more certainty. Nor is Mr. Salazar opposed to oil and gas exploration, which he knows is an important component of the nation’s energy mix. What he does oppose is the destruction of fragile lands.

Mr. Salazar has more to do. Still ahead are important decisions involving offshore leasing in the Arctic, where we hope he will show similar restraint. And he should review and rectify some of the Bureau of Land Management’s previous blunders, including indiscriminate leasing and permitting in the Upper Green River Valley in Wyoming, a wildlife-rich area where the agency has been sued in court for skirting the law and ignoring public protests.
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Stradee
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jan, 2010 04:40 pm
@danon5,
That is amazing! Wonder what summer will be like!!!

Izzie, keep your feetsies warm! You too Beth!

Rain today and much colder than yesterday.

snuggy n' bear paws...and staying indoors for the duration. brrr

Good articles, sue. Wish Salazar were as discriminating with the wolf issue.



http://rainforest.care2.com/i?p=583091674
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jan, 2010 05:04 pm
@Stradee,
clicking
wearing my faux crocs with the faux shearling lining
not as icy as a week ago, but cold enough
brrrr

worried about the news coming out of Haiti after the earthquake
didn't know that there could be tsunami warnings in the Caribbean
Stradee
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jan, 2010 05:08 pm
@ehBeth,
Sib called from the South Bay of SF...her window opened earlier today.

Boot warmers tucked in bear paws today.

Wow, just read the article. Scary

There was some tsunami concerns after the quake in Eureka, but so far so good.

Will e mail friends in the Caymans and ask how things are there.

danon5
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jan, 2010 05:19 pm
@Stradee,
Wow, cold everywhere --- except Australia of course --- Summer down under.
what we need are some really big fans and blow the heat up here.

Great clicking all and good articles.

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Izzie
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jan, 2010 05:22 pm
@ehBeth,







brrrrrrrrrrrrrr..... an clicking to keep warm

hugs to all the lovelies here.. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 

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