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A personal relationship with God.

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 11:32 am
If you define a word to mean everything the word then mean nothing at all and we can see this happening on this thread.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 06:09 pm
@Jason Proudmoore,
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of course can't show any empirical evidence
And you cant show me any evidence for your position. That is the nature of the debate on religion but you just dont get it.
Homework for dummies..look up the meaning of intuition, science, art, bias, ah hell, just start again and read the dictionary. You listed a system of priciples of science and you dont even understand that it is dogma ? Your limited understanding puts you way outside the class of this website. You say stupid things like science finds truths...no, science finds facts. You dont know the difference do you ? You think that when you read a book it has no bias ? Again, you are way out of your depth in most topics of any intellectual nature.
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if philosophy is an art, it doesn't make it not being part of science...in fact, if we know that philosophy is an art, and it is part of science, we can determine that science is also an art.
People can see just by this statement your limited comprehension but you are so stupid you dont get it, do you ? I suspected as much... now ask someone to help you.
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From all the barrage of nonsense that you have posted on the subject...indicates that you don't know anything about science.
You dont even understand how foolish you look to people who understand what I am saying simply because you dont get it. It is way above your limited abilities but you think it is my fault ?
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And when you post comments on a thread about personal opinions of misinformation made up by you, you are trying to prove the validity of such claims.
Go back to school and learn English. If it is my personal opinion then it is not misinformation.
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It is not part of science...you don't even have a clue on what the word even means..."intuition" "is independent of any reasoning process".

Intuition.
1.
a.The act or faculty of knowing or sensing without the use of rational processes; immediate cognition.
Never heard of the "Eureka Moment "?
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"All books are written with bias"? What a load of crap! You don't even know what the word "bias" means.

Bias n.
2.
a.A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment.
If you think human beings are capable of acting completely without bias then you are the most gullable fool I have heard of. The danger lies in people like you thinking there is no bias. A reasonable person will try to find their bias and eliminate it but they will never be entirely succesful.
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Evolution doesn't happen by accident.
That is exactly how it happens. Again you have enough knowledge to misunderstand and not enough to know what someone else is talking about.
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What are you talking about?
I think we have found your signature.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 06:37 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus in you I think we are seeing the limits and drawbacks on a self educated person.
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 07:02 pm
@BillRM,
You have make a lot of assumptions dont you William ? Just because I dont brag about my formal education you assume I have none ? In you I think we are seeing the limits of the English language and the drawbacks of being self-opinionated.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 07:04 pm
@BillRM,
one might do well to produce more grammatically correct work before criticizing the education levels of others...
The Pentacle Queen
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 07:15 pm
@Ionus,
Hey Ionus, please can you spam someone else's thread.
Sentences like-
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you are way out of your depth in most topics of any intellectual nature.

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You dont even understand how foolish you look


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Go back to school and learn English.

don't sound like the well constructed arguments of a 'rational' thinker to me.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 07:18 pm
@Rockhead,
I was not saying he was not educated my dear friend but that he was self educated and that does have some short comings.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 07:20 pm
@Ionus,
Just because I dont brag about my formal education you assume I have none ?
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I was going by comments that you had posted over the last few months concerning your self education.
Jason Proudmoore
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 07:21 pm
@Ionus,
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And you cant show me any evidence for your position.


I'm showing my position right here: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01 Read it; try to understand it, and get back to me.

This is the steps of the "scientific method."
1. Ask and define the question.
2. Gather information and resources through observation.
3. Form a hypothesis.
4. Perform one or more experiments and collect and sort data.
5. Analyze the data.
6. Interpret the data and make conclusions that point to a hypothesis.
7. Formulate a "final" or "finished" hypothesis.

This is the definition of "bias" :
Bias is a term used to describe a tendency or preference towards a particular perspective, ideology or result, when the tendency interferes with the ability to be impartial, unprejudiced, or objective.[1]. In other words, bias is generally seen as a 'one-sided' perspective. The term biased refers to a person or group who is judged to exhibit bias. It is used to describe an attitude, judgment, or behavior that is influenced by a prejudice. Bias can be unconscious or conscious in awareness. Having a bias is part of a normal development. Labeling someone as biased in some regard implies they need a greater or more flexible perspective in that area, or that they need to consider more deeply the context.

If you want, I'm able to explain it to you.

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That is the nature of the debate on religion but you just dont get it.

What the hell is the nature of the debate? Can't you just address what you mean? What the hell do you mean?

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look up the meaning of intuition, science, art, bias, ah hell, just start again and read the dictionary.

I've already did...but you are so immersed in your delusional world that you ignore the nature of reality in order to conform to your altered definition of words.

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You listed a system of priciples of science and you dont even understand that it is dogma ?


Again...by definition it is not a dogma...it has nothing to do with religion. You are mixing things up...don't confuse science as being dogmatic.

Definition of dogma
noun (plural dogmas or dogmata)
(wikipedia, Dogma)
1. A doctrine or a set of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church.
2. An authoritative principle, belief, or statement of opinion, especially one considered to be absolutely true.

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Your limited understanding puts you way outside the class of this website.

Twisted Evil

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You say stupid things like science finds truths...no, science finds facts.

"Fact" is something that is known to be true based on observable occurrences.
So, what the hell are you talking about?

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You dont know the difference do you ?

I already gave it to you.
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You think that when you read a book it has no bias ?

Some books are loaded with biased information....other books eliminated biases in order to explain the nature of reality.

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Again, you are way out of your depth in most topics of any intellectual nature.


I'm having so much fun with you. Your knowledge of reality is so impaired that I'm actually enjoying teaching you something you've never had the chance to learn...reason.

I wrote this:
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if philosophy is an art, it doesn't make it not being part of science...in fact, if we know that philosophy is an art, and it is part of science, we can determine that science is also an art.

Ionus answered:
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People can see just by this statement your limited comprehension but you are so stupid you dont get it, do you ?

You are so dishonest as you are so full of it. I already told you that Psychology and Philosophy are placed in the "sciences" category...so what's your argument here?

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I suspected as much... now ask someone to help you.


Yeah, I'm gonna have to find someone to help me place you in a mental institution...your perception of reality corresponds to that of a insane individual.

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You dont even understand how foolish you look to people who understand what I am saying simply because you dont get it.


I don't think that anybody with the right mindset understands your position. In this argument you have altered the meaning of words...you are so dishonest...and you know it.

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It is way above your limited abilities [...]

Shocked ...really?

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[...] but you think it is my fault ?

Don't say that...it isn't your fault...the person (s) who brainwashed you and put so much excrement in your head is the one to blame here.

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Go back to school and learn English. If it is my personal opinion then it is not misinformation.

It is your personal and biased opinion based on what you have observed throughout your entire life.

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That is exactly how it (evolution ) happens [by accident].

You haven't done your homework... I gave you information on how you can educate yourself on evolution, and you just ignored it. You don't want to learn anything...you just like the attention. due to the fact that you seem to not understand explanation of evolution on the adult level, I recomend you a book that explains evolution for third grade children:   http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61UINYRMDpL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA240_SH20_OU01_.jpg


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Again you have enough knowledge to misunderstand and not enough to know what someone else is talking about.

I have enough critical knowledge to understand that you're indifferent, dishonest, and full of ****.

I wrote this:
"What are you talking about?"
your response:
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I think we have found your signature.

Exactly...what are you talking about? Twisted Evil



Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 07:37 pm
@BillRM,
Then it would be all to easy to show me these comments, wouldnt it William ?
Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 07:44 pm
......and to think. I actually thought this would be an interesting thread with some good dialogue.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 07:44 pm
@The Pentacle Queen,
Showing a bit of bias there, Queeny.
Sentences like-
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it is simply a fabrication of your brain
you don't even have a clue on what the word even means
do you want to continue embarrassing yourself by showing off more of your ignorance of science?
From all the barrage of nonsense that you have posted on the subject...indicates that you don't know anything about science.
You are so ignorant that you can't even understand something very simple
Just because you have the inability to understand the English language
you need to go back to school and take some English comprehension courses.

don't sound like the well constructed arguments of a 'rational' thinker to me.
But I am not attracted to a male appendage. By the way, Jay, that is an example of bias.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 07:46 pm
See what I mean.
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Jason Proudmoore
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 08:00 pm
@Ionus,
Do you find Quote mining an art, too?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 08:10 pm
@Jason Proudmoore,
You misquoted me but given your inability to understand, I think that is to be expected. My quote was in relation to God not existing and you cant prove a negative. Therefore you cant prove God doesnt exist. You are aware of this rather basic fact, arent you ?

If you do not understand how bias has and will continue to affect scientific work then you know nothing of the subject.

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Again...by definition it is not a dogma
God, what a dummy..it was even in the definition you provided and you cant see it ?
Definition of dogma
noun (plural dogmas or dogmata)
(wikipedia, Dogma)
1. A doctrine or a set of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church.
2. An authoritative principle, belief, or statement of opinion, especially one considered to be absolutely true.
NOW can you see it ????

Name me one change in evolution that was not an accident. Shouldnt be too hard for someone as self-proclaimed clever as you ?

You have no idea of the meaning of words. You dont see the difference between truth and fact ? You think science finds truth ? I suppose in your twisted vocabulary religion finds facts. I repeat, "you dont know the difference do you" ?


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if philosophy is an art, it doesn't make it not being part of science...in fact, if we know that philosophy is an art, and it is part of science, we can determine that science is also an art.
Try drawing circles that include the statements. See which ones are included in what circles. This is basic logic stuff but it is beyond your means so I repeat get help with it.

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It is your personal and biased opinion based on what you have observed throughout your entire life.
I'll take that as an admission that I was right when I said "If it is my personal opinion then it is not misinformation". Its as close as you are going to get with that ego of yours.

accident Definition :
In general, an unplanned, unexpected, and undesigned (not purposefully caused) event
If evolution is NOT an accident, then it is a planned, expected, and designed event. Say hello to the creationist argument for me, dummy.

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I have enough critical knowledge to understand that you're indifferent, dishonest, and full of ****.
Pity you arent in the room with me, Wonder Boy.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 08:16 pm
Something tells me that these guys don't have a personal relationship with God, or even maybe nobody.
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 08:20 pm
@Intrepid,
I would be happy to have a calm discussion with you, Intrepid, please lead the way...
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 08:46 pm
@Ionus,
Then it would be all to easy to show me these comments, wouldnt it William ?
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You mean it would be easy to dig through months of your nonsense postings on this website now numbering 998 posts?

In any case, let get this straight you are denying to all of us that you had posted any comments on the website that would indicate to readers that you are largely self-educated?

Is that your position my friend?
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 08:50 pm
@BillRM,
I have been rudely (with bias) and also politely asked to get back on topic. You are welcome to continue this discussion privately.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 08:51 pm
@Ionus,
I have been rudely (with bias) and also politely asked to get back on topic. You are welcome to continue this discussion privately.
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So you are not so denying.
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