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EUGENICS R GOOD: TRUE or FALSE ??

 
 
engineer
 
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Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 01:22 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

First, correct any genetic flaws that give rise to disease.
Next, do the best possible to increase robustly good health
for as long as it is possible for me to do; a good energy level.
The best possible for high I.Q. and E.S.P.
Good memory; good analytical ability, quickly. Speed reader.
Blue eyes; blond hair, an agreeable, harmonious face.
A talent for discerning significant patterns.
A well co-ordinated, proficient marksman;
an articulate lover of liberty and individualism.

I'm not going to concede ESP and I think the lover of liberty and individualism is something that is not genetic, but outside of that, fair enough. Let's say the marksman stuff is more hand/eye coordination and you can teach him to shoot. I assume you are selecting male. I think you have just created the ultimate Aryan warrior. I hope he is a lover of liberty otherwise he would be a great dictator or mass killer. So let's assume he's a good guy, what do you think his children will look like? I like the pleasant face part. I have a book recommendation for you related to all of this: Uglies It's a young adult book, but I enjoyed reading it and it is directly related to this post. How do you think this guy is going to interact with the children who were programed to be empathetic, arts and music lovers?
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 01:37 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
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First, correct any genetic flaws that give rise to disease.
Next, do the best possible to increase robustly good health
for as long as it is possible for me to do; a good energy level.
The best possible for high I.Q. and E.S.P.
Good memory; good analytical ability, quickly. Speed reader.
Blue eyes; blond hair, an agreeable, harmonious face.
A talent for discerning significant patterns.
A well co-ordinated, proficient marksman;
an articulate lover of liberty and individualism.
You bring a smile to my face cause its not just as easy as you make it sound. SInce genetic diseases have multiple functions (Thye usually start out as some sort of protection and by gene frequency and sdouble recessive traits, a disease manifests itself. In many cases to remove the disease means that youd remove the underlying gene function

The rest is a combination of hokum or "designer baby" wishing. For example, I hope that real science doesnt waste its time trying to raise ESP function when we dont even know that it exists
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 01:40 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Designer babies with hi IQs may have to be achieved by several non genetic functions like parental nurturing.

Gene linked IQ functions are also rather complex and rely on several interacting sub functions that havent even been studied yet.

Crawl, then walk.

However, overall, I, like fresco, dont truct humanity to even consider "The right thing" let alone do it.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 03:30 pm
@farmerman,
There's no intention or capacity to "do it" effemm. It was meant as a list of David's personal characteristics presented for our admiration and envy.

Imagine the utter boredom of it though. Most of the interesting news out side of cosmic events is made by the very opposite types. It comes close to tweeting.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 04:42 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

rosborne979 wrote:

I believe that humanity will go through a period of selective breeding and genetic manipulation, but that it will be superseded by the advent of dynamic genetic manipulation available at any point during our life cycle.

Eventually eugenics will be a self-administered medical choice. We will alter our genetic structures the way we get plastic surgery.

I also expect that we will be inclined to alter our basic physiology through the use of nanotechnology which will in many cases supersede the functionality of cellular systems. Humanity is destined to evolve itself into a hybridized bio-technological race of cyborgs. And from that vantage point we will look back at simple eugenic selection as quaint.
Very well put, Rosbourne.
I approve of human improvement.

To your mind, are these forthcoming changes good or bad ?

Good for some, bad for others. Your question is too broad to answer in any meaningful way.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 06:23 pm
@rosborne979,
Cop out. Wimpy, dithering indecision designed to not annoy anyone and thus to be popular with everyone.

There's the good of the greatest number on which prisons are based.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 06:45 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
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But discrimination could only exist if there was a caste system.
That makes no sense.




spendius wrote:
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Dave has to have all 301 million meeting the standards he sets or admit to a Strangelove fantasy.
I saw the movie,
but I have no idea what u mean.






spendius wrote:
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It is possible that the human is already as he depicts and it is
the decanting system which causes the characteristics he seeks to eradicate.
????








spendius wrote:
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His society has to be a one-party state.
Nonsense.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2009 04:42 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Spendi is the master of "obscure tangentialism" .
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2009 05:15 am
@OmSigDAVID,
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That makes no sense.


I wouldn't expect it to.

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I saw the movie,
but I have no idea what u mean.


Which means you only think you saw the movie.

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????


The decanting system is the socialisation process. A Brave New World word which you might think you have read. Your post represents a snapshot of how you were decanted.

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Nonsense


Good grief!!








spendius
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2009 05:18 am
@farmerman,
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Spendi is the master of "obscure tangentialism" .


I only write for the "few" effemm. It's been obvious for a long while that you are not one of them.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2009 05:39 am
@spendius,
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I only write for the "few" effemm. It's been obvious for a long while that you are not one of them.
Thats waht "Railroad Annie" used to scream out about how she was only understood by those who are "OF THE BODY"

She was also a loon, pure and simple. Shewas convinced that she had something important to say, but opinion was heavily against her.
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Francis
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2009 05:45 am
Farmerman wrote:
Spendi is the master of "obscure tangentialism" .


I usually refrain from commenting in matters connected with social expression.

However, I have no problem with Spendi's semiology.

It's not because he is arcane that, time to time, he doesn't offer some sound concept..
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2009 06:34 am
@Francis,
PLEASE, Try to name one time in recent memory. >95% of his posts are entirely masturbatory and I believe he believes that he is just unearthly clever for us mere mortals.
(Despite his constant assertions) HEs not shown me anything in the minimal scholarship re: several of the topics herein and all he involves himself in doing is to merely post crappola that is counter to the immediately previous poster.(Please deny that is you can, cause statistically thats a big outlier, and that is a fact, unless youve missed it.
However,Spendi , the eternal approval whore,will always agree with someone who like Mowgli, inflates the" mighty pythons" ego.

I should just keep him on pwermanent ignore but I feel that , sooner or later, he will start trying to engage the subject rather than just making up catch phrases and being as misogynistic as he can be.

HEs mostly harmless but he is a vile bitter troll who, for the most part, has little to offer in the way of substance. You sem to hold him in a higher loft than I. semeiologist, hardly. Hes often not even rational.



Francis
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2009 07:10 am
Farmerman wrote:
Hes often not even rational.


I will not engage a debate over Spendi's rationality, as it seems to me you'll never acknowledge that he is perfectly perceptive of social interaction.

From his five years posting, at least, I can see some constancy of effort.

In addition, as seen in your post, you have a really deformed perception of who, or what, I hold in high esteem..
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2009 07:24 am
@Francis,
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In addition, as seen in your post, you have a really deformed perception of who, or what, I hold in high esteem..
Since my post was a response regarding spendius, you have assumed incorrectly that I have an opinion about you. Im merely responding to a voice who has requested an explanation re my feelings about spendis contributions. What you believe or hold dear is of little concern to me at this point. We havent ever discussed your likes and dislikes so I find myself short of any facts or evidence about them.

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djjd62
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2009 07:25 am
EUGENICS R GOOD: TRUE or FALSE ??

i prefer TOYS R US
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2009 07:58 am
@farmerman,
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I believe he believes that he is just unearthly clever for us mere mortals.


I do indeed believe that effemm if by "us" you mean you anti-IDers. But it is not because I feel in any way special--it is because you lot are so conspicuously useless.

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(Despite his constant assertions) HEs not shown me anything in the minimal scholarship re: several of the topics herein and all he involves himself in doing is to merely post crappola that is counter to the immediately previous poster.(Please deny that is you can, cause statistically thats a big outlier, and that is a fact, unless youve missed it.


That, for example, is drivel. Foam from the mouth. You know no other way of conducting yourself than assertion. With reference to the remark about previous posters I showed, with no possibility of refutation, that Dr Scott's polemic was entirely circular. I gave three instances. She also concluded with a very crude assertion about someone being "bananas" which is to say mad.

You didn't respond to that previous post.

I have been wondering if Dr Scott is a Reichian. Could you enlighten us on the matter. It would be of considerable importance if she is.

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he will start trying to engage the subject rather than just making up catch phrases and being as misogynistic as he can be.


There are more assertions. You just fling **** effemm. And none of it sticks.

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HEs mostly harmless but he is a vile bitter troll who, for the most part, has little to offer in the way of substance. You sem to hold him in a higher loft than I. semeiologist, hardly. Hes often not even rational.


Another bunch of ready made assertions drawn from the schoolyard. Anybody who takes any notice of stuff like that is under acheiving.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2009 08:13 am
@spendius,
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I have been wondering if Dr Scott is a Reichian. Could you enlighten us on the matter. It would be of considerable importance if she is.

What part of your butt does that scientific observation come from?
When you claim Im merelymaking assertions you dont hide the evidence against you.

See Francis, I interpret that as another misogynistic statment from the midieval brute that is spendy.
As John Adams said
"Evidence is composed of fact and facts are stubborn things"
Always Eleven to him
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2009 08:50 am
@farmerman,
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overall, I, like fresco, dont trust humanity to even consider "The right thing" let alone do it.


Me either.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2009 09:03 am

Morally,
if I were going to have a child,
I 'd owe it to him to create him as soundly as possible
with as many advantages as I coud arrange.





David
 

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