Starship on the moon?

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This is one of the two best conspiracy theories which I've ever heard about, the other being Heribert Illig and the claim that we are living around 1700 years after Christ and not 2009:

http://revver.com/video/642275/alien-spaceship-on-the-moon-flyover-before-landing-apollo-20/

The claim is that one of the Apollo astronauts has kept a 16mm film record from one of the last Apollo missions and released it to the public, and that it shows the remains of an ancient and gigantically large spaceship lying on the back side of the moon.

I don't have any opinion on this one way or another, I don't know enough about the subject. The video would be difficult to fabricate if in fact it is fabricated and it's not clear that anybody would profit from the effort. You can find multiple versions of it on youtube.

One observation I can make easily enough is this: IF such a ship were to be found and it were to be that size, then you would not be talking about boldly going where no man had gone before to seek out suckers to cheat at poker or canasta or anything like that. What you WOULD be talking about would be people living in our solar system prior to the deluge and the series of catastrophes surrounding it not knowing if anything in our system would remain habitable, and building ships to carry the people and technical infrastructure of one or more cities out into the stars to safety. Kind of like Noah's ark on a grander scale.

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@gungasnake,

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Kind of like Noah's ark on a grander scale.

If you believe in a "Noahs Ark" as a real object, I dont think that ignoring FACTS is any problem to you.

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@gungasnake,

gungasnake wrote:

This is one of the two best conspiracy theories which I've ever heard about, the other being Heribert Illig and the claim that we are living around 1700 years after Christ and not 2009:

Well, Ihlig is something if you want to have a good laugh.

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@gungasnake,

Cloverfield is actually a documentary.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Illig might be wrong, but he's not somebody an intelligent person would laugh at and if he IS wrong, then historians have some real explaining to do, particularly the lack of any physical evidence on the planet for Charlemagne or any of those Carolingian kings to have ever existed, and the nearly identical life stories of Charlemagne and Frederick II of the HRE. At least as I've heard it...

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@gungasnake,

Well, where I lve (that means, 18 miles away) we have a lot of physical evidence from 788 ongoing to to 1400 and further until today).

Of, you can neglect that. But it's there. Visible, for each and everyone.

Besides that it is laughable if someone writes about a period a totally 'forgets' to look at e.g. the history of medieval monasteries ...

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@Walter Hinteler,

The standard explanation (for the lack of evidence) which I've seen in history books prior to ever hearing about Illig, goes like this more or less: that starting somewhere around 900 AD or thereabouts, you had a period of at least a hundred years during which Moors, Vikings, and Magyars all three just rode roughshod over all of Europe, particularly Magyars who are said to have made two or three round trips through Europe raping, pillaging, plundering, and stealing just everything, leaving Europe a tabula Raza after which and after things got back under control somewhat, you had the age when the present cathedrals and what not were built.

The idea of a dark age, which we DO read about, basically means a historical age for which physical evidence does not exist or exists in such minute and questionable quantities as to provide no useful information. The simplest possible explanation for such an age, which people like Illig and I assume Gunnar Heinsohn subscribe to, is that it simply never happened.

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Breath-taking . . . invincible ignorance incarnate . . .

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@gungasnake,

How could the Apollo astronauts take video of the dark side of the moon when all of the Apollo moon missions were staged on a set at NASA headquarters in Houston?

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@joefromchicago,

Excellent point, Joe. It's an even bigger hoax than we might have suspected. Dark side of the moon indeed. Humph.

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@gungasnake,

gungasnake wrote:

The standard explanation (for the lack of evidence) which I've seen in history books prior to ever hearing about Illig, goes like this more or less: that starting somewhere around 900 AD or thereabouts, you had a period of at least a hundred years during which Moors, Vikings, and Magyars all three just rode roughshod over all of Europe, particularly Magyars who are said to have made two or three round trips through Europe raping, pillaging, plundering, and stealing just everything, leaving Europe a tabula Raza after which and after things got back under control somewhat, you had the age when the present cathedrals and what not were built.

The idea of a dark age, which we DO read about, basically means a historical age for which physical evidence does not exist or exists in such minute and questionable quantities as to provide no useful information. The simplest possible explanation for such an age, which people like Illig and I assume Gunnar Heinsohn subscribe to, is that it simply never happened.

The standard explanation of "dark age" is ... that there was little to no evidence in (written) documents.
Thus, this period differs from region to region - actually: differed, since nowadays we've got a lot of sources from all periods.

At least in this (larger) part of Germany neither before, nor around nor after 900 we had no Moors, Vikings (leaving aside the various attacks of the Vikings on a couple of places along the Rhine up to Cologne and Prüm in the Eifel), and Magyars here.

Actually, the Magyars around 900 were here:

So you think, all the 'stuff' I've seen, touched, worked with, read ... all that wasn't from that time? My native town and all the others around here didn't exist? The Saxon wars against the Franks didn't happen? ...

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@gungasnake,

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The idea of a dark age, which we DO read about, basically means a historical age for which physical evidence does not exist or exists in such minute and questionable quantities as to provide no useful information. The simplest possible explanation for such an age, which people like Illig and I assume Gunnar Heinsohn subscribe to, is that it simply never happened.

No, that's not a simple explanation, that's a simplistic explanation. A simple explanation is one that is plausible, rational, and "elegant" (in a scientific sense). A simplistic explanation, on the other hand, is one that ignores all contrary evidence in an attempt to arrive at pre-ordained conclusion. There's actually quite a lot of evidence for the existence of Charlemagne. Only a simplistic explanation could explain all of that evidence away.

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@joefromchicago,

By the way, Heinsohn's idea was that there were too many males, so that they started to kill themselves ... (With his conclusion to today's situation: no help for developping countries and/or after nature disasters because those poeple just get again children and since most are males ....)

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Apparently, Einhard's Vita Karoli Magni doesn't count as evidence that Charlemagne ever existed--at least in the twisted world Gunga Dim inhabits.

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@Setanta,

And we've just an exhibition here, 1000-years bishop Meinwerk, a bishop, who continued the reform of the Imperial Abbey of Corvey, which was in 815, just some decades later than the first cathedral in Paderborn was built ...

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@Setanta,

Just as a side note: when, in 882 and 892, Prüm Abbey was plundered and devastated by the Normans it recovered so fast that it soon developed into a abbey-principality.

The Evangeliarium Prumeiise from 852 (plus DATED supplements any couple of years) doesn't exist either, I suppose ... (but was good enough to give me some nice marks at university <lol>)

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One could mention Notker, too, but with his flying bishops and other silliness, it is probably best that he is passed over in silence.

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@Setanta,

But when you look at the maps in the old psalters - I've just studying the one from Herford cathedral), gunga could be correct: boundaries are drawn in dimensions of space and time, it's all Sodom and Gomorrah ...

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@gungasnake,

I wish the aliens would make interesting looking ships instead of making them look just like big rocks.

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@rosborne979,

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I wish the aliens would make interesting looking ships instead of making them look just like big rocks.

U shoud complain to the I.N.S.! Don 't take that lying down.

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