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Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize

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engineer
 
Reply Fri 9 Oct, 2009 04:29 am
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8298580.stm

Anyone else think this is way premature?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 9 Oct, 2009 04:33 am
This is ridiculous. This will just be grist for the right-wing hate mills, and is completely inappropriate. I honestly thought this was some kind of lame joke when i saw the thread.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 9 Oct, 2009 04:36 am
@engineer,

On the 'Obama thread' Walter Hinteler wrote:

I must admit that this seems to be a surprise for many, but "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples" are obviously liked everywhere .... besides by some US-Americans.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 9 Oct, 2009 04:37 am
On the other hand, who really does deserve it?
dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 9 Oct, 2009 04:38 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8298580.stm

Anyone else think this is way premature?


This is for real?

Premature? Utterly, I'd have thought...ridiculously.
dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 9 Oct, 2009 04:39 am
@edgarblythe,
Nobody has a gun to their head saying they have to award it every year, do they?

Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 9 Oct, 2009 04:44 am
@dlowan,
Not a gun, but it's the idea behind that prize.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 9 Oct, 2009 04:45 am
@dlowan,
Embarrassing to say the least. Theres really no reason why the committee couldnt have stated that "We aint giving a Peace Prize this year".
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 9 Oct, 2009 04:47 am
@edgarblythe,
Well . . . i think it is sometimes appropriate. Among American Presidents, Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. was awarded the prize for bringing Russian and Japan to the table, and helping them to hammer out a peace treaty. He at least had done something concrete to which one could point. (Woodrow Wilson did not deserve it, in my never humble opinion.)

Jimmy Carter got one as a sort of lifetime achievement award--he didn't get one for Camp David, but it was jointly awared to Begin and Arafat that year.

But this . . . sheesh . . .
lmur
 
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Reply Fri 9 Oct, 2009 04:52 am
@Setanta,
Whoever ensured that a US President can only serve two terms should've got it.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 9 Oct, 2009 04:52 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Theres really no reason why the committee couldnt have stated that "We aint giving a Peace Prize this year".


There isn't one, besides perhaps the statutes of Norwegian Nobel Committee, which say that the prize is awarded annually according to guidelines laid down in Alfred Nobel's will.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 9 Oct, 2009 05:04 am
What specific actions in furtherance of peace is this for? How is this different from "we like Obama, so we're going to give him a prize?" Isn't a recipient supposed to have taken extraordinary, specific actions which resulted in the cessation of war? This is unfair. He is being given substantial credit for things that he simply hasn't done.
dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 9 Oct, 2009 05:09 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I just KNEW you were going to say that.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 9 Oct, 2009 05:10 am
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:
Isn't a recipient supposed to have taken extraordinary, specific actions which resulted in the cessation of war?


No. Neither in the Swedish text nor in the Norwigian (which is appropriate here) nor in the English or any other translation.

From where did YOU get this info?
sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 9 Oct, 2009 05:11 am
@engineer,
Hmmm.

Just turned on the computer about five minutes ago. First saw the announcement + article on Yahoo, then came here. Still processing. Thoughts so far:

1. WHAT?
2. Oooh, gonna be a backlash.
3. I can kinda see it though actually.
4. Hey, this is kind of cool.
(switch from Yahoo to here)
5. Ooh. Yeah.
6. Dunno.
7. Wonder what Andrew Sullivan thinks? (Checks, nothing yet.)
8. Hmmm.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 9 Oct, 2009 05:12 am
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:
This is unfair. He is being given substantial credit for things that he simply hasn't done.


President Obama will get - according to the Norwegian Nobel Prize Committee the prize "for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples".

Complain there: [email protected]
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 9 Oct, 2009 05:15 am
@engineer,
Quote:
Anyone else think this is way premature?


Well, yes.
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saab
 
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Reply Fri 9 Oct, 2009 05:37 am
a survey in the Swedish Paper Svenska Dagbladet 66% were against it.
The Danish Paper Jyllandsposten has many e-mails and to a great exstent they are against it. Several seeing it as a snub to Bush and not really for Obama.
Aftenposten in Norway has a long list of e-mails. Hardly anybody for it. I did not count but it must almost have been 90%.
Some even suggested Obama should have said No thank you.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 9 Oct, 2009 05:47 am
@saab,
saab wrote:

a survey in the Swedish Paper Svenska Dagbladet 66% were against it.
The Danish Paper Jyllandsposten has many e-mails and to a great exstent they are against it. Several seeing it as a snub to Bush and not really for Obama.
Aftenposten in Norway has a long list of e-mails. Hardly anybody for it. I did not count but it must almost have been 90%.
Some even suggested Obama should have said No thank you.



That's interesting. I'd thought that the nomination was only announced this morning?

Svenska Dagbladet has Müller on the frontpage and in the commentary today, as far as I can see. And on page 22 an article about Obama, by Cindy Sheehan, where she asks if he had betrayed his ideals.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 9 Oct, 2009 05:53 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Oops, you were referring to an online poll on their website, not to the paper or a survey. My bad.
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