FROM A VICTIM's PERSPECTIVE: IS IT BETTER TO BE HELPLESS?

My dealings with libertarians has been mixed.
I find that I can listen and be included within the scope of their
lamenst and then, without notice, the liberatarian seems just to leave the planet.

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3 ) Correct me if I am rong, but u advocate USURPATION of power to reduce crime;
that government shoud overthrow the Constitution that constitutes it and take over America.
Given a choice: I 'll choose the criminals in preference to THAT.

Thats total squatfudge Dave, the Constitution IS SILENT on all the crap you say it contains. The second Amendment is quite simply written with no codicils and wheras's that extend its power to the extent taht it lives today. Its been years of SUPREME COURT definitions which have added the extra cushioning to underpin an entire industry.
THOSE things can be overturned. Perhaps not in our lifetimes but they must be overturned if we ever wish to become civilized.

I am a gun owner and user and I choose self protection because I dont trust the criminal who breaks into my house to be "kind" to me. I expect that hed wish to keep us silent and I operate with that in mind. BEWARE criminal, you will be shot.


HOWEVER, the uncontrolled expansion of the special rules that govern gun ownership and carry have gotten out of control and I have hope that , in a society someday, we will relinquish this gun crazy fixation .

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in a situation of predatory violence there is a contest of power
between the predators and their victims. WHO -- which side -- will preponderate ?
The pro-freedom side supports the victims and opposes discrimination as to who can legally defend his life,
whereas in contradistinction, the politically correct side desires those victims to be helpless so as not to harm
the disadvantaged minority groups that prey upon them.

Sadly that is true TODAY. However That doesnt mean we should just sit on our asses and not try to change society so that such expansion of these crazy laws is the only way to preserve peace and quiet. I choose to keep my lawmakers advised that Im not for an Oligarchy of gun manufacture and I want some reasonable control on gun ownership, purchase , and responsibility. We are too much under control by an entire industry that has no real ethical rudder and you are just another industry shill who creates arguments that are based upon some bleak inevitability of condition. I say that we are a civilization still evolving into our climax condition and the present gun laws will need to be tossed just like most of capitol punishment.

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3 ) Correct me if I am rong, but u advocate USURPATION of power to reduce crime;
that government shoud overthrow the Constitution that constitutes it and take over America.
Given a choice: I 'll choose the criminals in preference to THAT.

Thats total squatfudge Dave, the Constitution IS SILENT on all the crap you say it contains. The second Amendment is quite simply written with no codicils and wheras's that extend its power to the extent taht it lives today. Its been years of SUPREME COURT definitions which have added the extra cushioning to underpin an entire industry.
THOSE things can be overturned. Perhaps not in our lifetimes but they must be overturned if we ever wish to become civilized.

I am a gun owner and user and I choose self protection because I dont trust the criminal who breaks into my house to be "kind" to me. I expect that hed wish to keep us silent and I operate with that in mind. BEWARE criminal, you will be shot.


HOWEVER, the uncontrolled expansion of the special rules that govern gun ownership and carry have gotten out of control and I have hope that , in a society someday, we will relinquish this gun crazy fixation .

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in a situation of predatory violence there is a contest of power
between the predators and their victims. WHO -- which side -- will preponderate ?
The pro-freedom side supports the victims and opposes discrimination as to who can legally defend his life,
whereas in contradistinction, the politically correct side desires those victims to be helpless so as not to harm
the disadvantaged minority groups that prey upon them.

Sadly that is true TODAY. However That doesnt mean we should just sit on our asses and not try to change society so that such expansion of these crazy laws is the only way to preserve peace and quiet. I choose to keep my lawmakers advised that Im not for an Oligarchy of gun manufacture and I want some reasonable control on gun ownership, purchase , and responsibility. We are too much under control by an entire industry that has no real ethical rudder and you are just another industry shill who creates arguments that are based upon some bleak inevitability of condition. I say that we are a civilization still evolving into our climax condition and the present gun laws will need to be tossed just like most of capitol punishment.

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GHOSTS in the mainspring.

farmerman wrote:

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3 ) Correct me if I am rong, but u advocate USURPATION of power to reduce crime;
that government shoud overthrow the Constitution that constitutes it and take over America.
Given a choice: I 'll choose the criminals in preference to THAT.

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Thats total squatfudge Dave,
the Constitution IS SILENT on all the crap you say it contains.
The second Amendment is quite simply written with no codicils
and wheras's that extend its power to the extent taht it lives today.

To the extent that the Constitution is SILENT,
government has no authority.

The authority of government
comes only from grants thereof
that are overtly and affirmatively extended to government.

Let us take cognizance that domestic government authority
and individual liberty of the citizen are INVERSELY PROPORTIONAL.
Hence, to the extent that the Constitution is silent,
personal liberty is enhanced, at the expense of domestic government authority.





David

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Of course it is better to be armed.

In Colonial times, it was considered almost indecent to go around unarmed.

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I'm surprised that there haven't been any gun control advocates here to argue otherwise;
since their actions and desires seem to clearly believe that it is better to be helpless.

I wonder whether the suppressionists have resigned
themselves to the inevitable or not.

I have not seen much in the way of demonstrated confidence coming from the left.