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If the Beatles weren't cute, they would have been just another band.

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2009 10:55 am
@Brandon9000,
We know it isn't a virtue to make " negative posts to try and get a rise out of people."

And it isn't a virtue, nor is it rational, to base a conclusion like that on an assertion that such posts were made in order to get a rise out of people until you have proved it to be the case that that is why the posts were composed. And you haven't done that. You have merely asserted it. And then based your conclusion on the assertion.

I justfied the post of mine you quoted about travelling. I could justify it even better if I wanted to but I was content to support Mr Bush.

Now find me another.

It's now the fifth time you have refused to answer on the question of whether attention seeking is a fault. If you don't answer this time you are welcome to the last word. The viewers will decide for themselves the merits of your position that attention seeking is a fault. Your silence on the matter is quite sufficient. If it continues don't expect a reply from me.

kicky was right. The Fad Four were cute to white adolescent girls and they were designed to be by Mr Epstein who later offed himself. I daresay there are thousands of American bands with more talent.
aidan
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2009 11:34 am
@spendius,
Quote:
kicky was right. The Fad Four were cute to white adolescent girls and they were designed to be by Mr Epstein who later offed himself. I daresay there are thousands of American bands with more talent.

Well, I don't know about that. I took an informal poll today - as I was reminded of this subject because there was a big article about the Beatles in the Times today. Is this some sort of anniversary or something?
Anyway - two of my regular patrons, Andy (the dad, 52) and Alec (the son, 21) are British and BIG TIME music lovers. Alec is taking some sort of music course at Bristol so I asked him for his professional ( Laughing )opinion in terms of the musicality of the Beatles - along with his dad: were they impressed with their musical ability or did they think these were just four guys at the right place at the right time with the right look - and Alec (21) stated that the Beatles were musically innovative and that some of their methods (he either said 'the fade' or the 'phase'- a sort of time lapse apparently) that hadn't been used until they introduced them are now commonplace. He also said their sense of melody and non-intrusive instrumentation presented a whole nother aspect and direction for the three minute 'pop' song to take.
His dad agreed - although when I asked Andy who he thought were the more talented and innovative composers - Pete Townsend or Lennon/McCartney - he stated that he believed Townsend was in a league of his own. I think I have to agree.

Overall - I do like a lot of American bands better than the Beatles. If I had a choice of never hearing the Allman Brothers again or never hearing the Beatles again - I'd have to never hear the Beatles - but that's just because I like the blues and that's not what the Beatles did.
But I do think that what they did do they did REALLY, REALLY well.

Ticket to Ride, Dear Prudence, Eleanor Rigby, Here Comes the Sun,(who arranged the strings in that ? Whoever did is a genius in my opinion) are among my top 100 favorite songs - and that's saying a lot - because I love a lot of songs.

One thing the Beatles can do better than Dylan is blend voices or harmonize. I was listening to the Traveling Wilbury's tape I have the other day and was struck all over again how Dylan's voice just has GOT to stand alone to be bearable. It's too distracting to listen to him sing with anyone else.
He's more of a one-trick pony than the Beatles - although I love him dearly - give him all sorts of credit - I have to admit I think he's less consistently listenable than the Beatles are.
What he does well - he does better than anyone else. But what he tries to do and can't- sometimes is little less than unbearable.
aidan
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2009 11:40 am
@aidan,
I meant to ask who arranged the strings in Eleanor Rigby - not in Here Comes the Sun (I don't think there are any strings in that one).
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2009 12:14 pm
@aidan,
Well Becksie--Dylan doesn't put all his goods in the window. He harmonised with Madelyn Quebec on I'll Remember You at Farm Aid, with Regina Havis on You and Me, We Had It All and Let's Begin and with Joan Baez on some stuff on the Rollin' Thunder tour until she stopped him feeling up her skirt. Refugee and Blowin' for two.

Madelyn and Regina I saw at Earls Court in '81 along with another beautiful, swaying black lady of ample proportions who winked at me once somewhere else as a reward for keeping my bins trained on her all the way through a slinky I'll Be Your Baby Tonight whilst thinking of Venus de Willendorf.

Check this out if you think the Beatles were any good and tell your musical experts to do the same.

Quote:
Earls Court
London, England
July 1, 1981


01. Gotta Serve Somebody
02. I Believe In You
03. Like A Rolling Stone
04. Man Gave Names To All The Animals
05. Maggie's Farm
06. Here Comes The Sun (George Harrison) / Girl From The North Country
07. Dead Man, Dead Man
08. Simple Twist Of Fate
09. Ballad Of A Thin Man
10. Slow Train
11. Let's Begin (Jim Webb)
12. Shot Of Love
13. Lenny Bruce
14. Mr. Tambourine Man
15. Solid Rock

16. Just Like A Woman
17. We Just Disagree (Jim Krueger)
18. Masters Of War
19. Forever Young
20. Heart Of Mine
21. Watered-Down Love
22. When You Gonna Wake Up
23. In The Garden
24. Blowin' In The Wind
25. It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding)
26. Knockin' On Heaven's Door
27. Just Like Tom Thumb?s Blues
28. In The Summertime
29. What Can I Do For You?
30. All Along The Watchtower


A PhD in Life is right there in your face. All the Beatles give are nonsenesical methods of asking a very young and inexperienced lady for a bit of nookie when you're skint.

I think I could watch that Just Like Tom Thumb Blues for ever. And Mr Tambourine Man blew Philip Larkin away and he had only heard the album version.

This is Philip Larkin--

Quote:
Philip Larkin - Annus Mirabilis
Sexual intercourse began
In nineteen sixty-three
(which was rather late for me) -
Between the end of the Chatterley ban
And the Beatles' first LP.

Up to then there'd only been
A sort of bargaining,
A wrangle for the ring,
A shame that started at sixteen
And spread to everything.

Then all at once the quarrel sank:
Everyone felt the same,
And every life became
A brilliant breaking of the bank,
A quite unlosable game.

So life was never better than
In nineteen sixty-three
(Though just too late for me) -
Between the end of the Chatterley ban
And the Beatles' first LP.


That English Humour in case you haven't met it yet.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2009 12:22 pm
You need a deep dolourous voice really and a hangdog expression to do it properly but perhaps you can imagine that. That old guy you pictured for us a bit back whose eyes you are putting a sparkle back into. He has the face.

Did you notice that Mr Harrison was allowed to play backing guitar for one of the songs. Sell Bob a few more records with the afficianadoes of Beatlemania. Why else?
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aidan
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2009 01:26 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
with another beautiful, swaying black lady of ample proportions who winked at me once somewhere else as a reward for keeping my bins trained on her all the way through a slinky I'll Be Your Baby Tonight whilst thinking of Venus de Willendorf.

You and Bob have similar taste. Last time I was home my nephew was telling me something about all of Bob Dylan's illegitimate children and I was like, 'What?! I never heard anything about that...well he'd just heard it on NPR or something so I googled it and sure enough Bob was secretly married to one of his former back-up singers and they have a daughter together named Desiree. I think she's in her twenties if I remember correctly - so he probably helped the mom pick the name - Desiree- Desire.... anyway - she isn't illegitimate as Bob married the woman, but it seems that Bob has a thing for large, maternal black women (it said in the article). Laughing Bob... how can you not love him?

No, in terms of Bob Dylan vs. the Beatles - Bob's stuff stops me in my tracks. It does. It's some of the most thought provoking and lovely (words and music) I've ever heard.
The Beatles I react to on a different level. Their stuff is comforting and familiar and singable.
It's sort of like the difference between something that's haunting, mysterious and opaque and something that's open and accessible and affirming.
There's a time and place for both of those conditions in life and music, I think.

Quote:
That English Humour in case you haven't met it yet.
You need a deep dolourous voice really and a hangdog expression to do it properly but perhaps you can imagine that. That old guy you pictured for us a bit back whose eyes you are putting a sparkle back into. He has the face.

I'm getting a PhD in it - from my friend Jack that you referenced.

Quote:
Did you notice that Mr Harrison was allowed to play backing guitar for one of the songs. Sell Bob a few more records with the afficianadoes of Beatlemania. Why else?

George and Bob were friends. If you haven't listened to the concert of Bangladesh - you should. That has some really good stuff by George and Bob, Bob alone, George alone, and all sorts of other great musical pairings.

Quote:
Being that Harrison was a former Beatle, he had lots of friends in the rock world to call on for help. But even George could not get everybody who he wanted, including his friends John Lennon and Paul McCartney, as it was just too soon after the Beatles' breakup. But one by one, many other friends of his said yes, including Beatle Ringo Starr, and close friends Eric Clapton and Bob Dylan said maybe - with both of them recovering from personal health problems. Dylan hadn't played live since his near-fatal motorcycle accident which broke his neck, and Clapton was very sick, fighting his heroin addiction and hadn't played live in ages 'cause of that problem. Only in the last moments before the first show went on did Harrison know if either one would attend and take part in the concert.

spendius
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2009 03:21 pm
@aidan,
Quote:
It's sort of like the difference between something that's haunting, mysterious and opaque and something that's open and accessible and affirming.


Neat.

Quote:
There's a time and place for both of those conditions in life and music, I think.


The latter is a one night stand. Repeated.

I have a video of the Bangladesh concert. It's okay. There's a very long Just Like a Woman on some of the '81 movies. Those are something else.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2009 03:30 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

We know it isn't a virtue to make " negative posts to try and get a rise out of people."

And it isn't a virtue, nor is it rational, to base a conclusion like that on an assertion that such posts were made in order to get a rise out of people until you have proved it to be the case that that is why the posts were composed. And you haven't done that. You have merely asserted it. And then based your conclusion on the assertion.

I justfied the post of mine you quoted about travelling. I could justify it even better if I wanted to but I was content to support Mr Bush.

Now find me another.

It's now the fifth time you have refused to answer on the question of whether attention seeking is a fault. If you don't answer this time you are welcome to the last word. The viewers will decide for themselves the merits of your position that attention seeking is a fault. Your silence on the matter is quite sufficient. If it continues don't expect a reply from me.

kicky was right. The Fad Four were cute to white adolescent girls and they were designed to be by Mr Epstein who later offed himself. I daresay there are thousands of American bands with more talent.

Attention seeking isn't a fault unless one does it in a negative way like you do.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 11 Sep, 2009 06:46 am
@aidan,
Quote:
One thing the Beatles can do better than Dylan is blend voices or harmonize.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Avj4eEsf-w
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 11 Sep, 2009 07:04 am
@spendius,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_Huc3oPdwc
panzade
 
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Reply Fri 11 Sep, 2009 08:01 am
@spendius,
clydie king is ethereal....what a great singer
aidan
 
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Reply Fri 11 Sep, 2009 09:44 am
@panzade,
I was listening to this today - I'd forgotten about this song- and realized that he does do this sort of harmonizing really well:
aidan
 
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Reply Fri 11 Sep, 2009 10:01 am
@aidan,
This is one of my favorite instances of harmonizing by the Beatles:


The funny thing is - the first picture of them in this video - they all look sort of dorky - but by the second picture they're all cute- what a difference mustaches can make.
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panzade
 
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Reply Fri 11 Sep, 2009 10:26 am
this medley includes some amazing songs...listen to the harmony on Love Me Do..



spendius
 
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Reply Fri 11 Sep, 2009 11:12 am
Enough of these little lads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I476DRpEX24
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 11 Sep, 2009 11:23 am
@spendius,
Let's bury 'em.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpQIDXrEsXQ&feature=related

Give the volume some wellie.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 11 Sep, 2009 06:03 pm
@panzade,
Here's a song I like:


Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 11 Sep, 2009 06:08 pm
@Brandon9000,
Here's another:


spendius
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 10:51 am
@Brandon9000,
Dreadful. Embarrassing.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2009 12:19 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Dreadful. Embarrassing.

I can say that the moon is made of green cheese. It doesn't make it so. Around the time these songs came out, the "London Times" called Lennon and McCartney the outstanding English composers of 1963. Their manuscripts are in the British Museum. "Rolling Stone" magazine ranked them number one in its list of "100 Greatest Artists of All Time." This is just more of your pathetic effort to bait people to get attention.
 

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