RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2009 05:22 pm
http://community.oceana.org/node/1134
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2009 05:42 pm
http://rozsavage.com/
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 21 Nov, 2009 05:56 pm
some more troubling news to report.

http://thephoenix.com/Boston/News/93157-Were-killing-the-oceans/
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RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 28 Dec, 2009 10:29 pm
http://www.keepoceansclean.org/intro/
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RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 28 Dec, 2009 10:37 pm
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 29 Dec, 2009 12:02 am
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-oceans-series,0,7783938.special
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 30 Dec, 2009 06:18 pm
Don’t Throw No Trash Into The Sea

Don’t throw no trash into the sea
The fish can't live in all the plastic
So don’t throw no trash into the sea
The birds get caught in nets and elastic
The trash floats back on the beach
The solution can’t be out of reach

Oh God people
Don’t throw no trash into the sea…

Short Instrumental

Don’t dump no chemicals down the drain
It comes back down as acid rain
Do we say goodbye to polar bears
Please tell me someone cares
Don’t over hunt and over fish
Preserve the earth that we cherish
Don’t over hunt and over fish
Or we will all get sick and perish

Oh God people
Don’t throw no trash into the sea…
No no no don’t throw no trash into the sea…

Instrumental

Don’t drive your car to the mailbox
Better to walk there instead
Learn to recycle just ride a bicycle
No no no don’t drive your car to the mailbox
Don’t’ waste no water in the sink
Take a moment to think we live on the brink
There’ll be no water left to drink
Don’t waste no water in the sink

No artificial fertilizers
Big corporations become misers
People need to be wiser
No artificial fertilizers
Put on your gardens what’s organic
Or the earth will sink like the titanic

Oh God people
Don’t throw no trash into the sea
No no no
Don’t throw no trash into the sea

Long instrumental

Don’t dump no trash on the beach
The coral reefs start to bleach
No sewer pipe in the ocean
We’ve just got to get the notion
People don’t say that we can’t
A sewer pipe is not a plant

Oh God people
Don’t throw no trash into the sea
Support an earth that is green
Together we can keep the ocean clean.
Don’t throw no trash into the sea
Live life in simplicity

Don’t throw no trash into the sea
No no no
Don’t throw no trash into the sea
Listen to the earth cry
Don’t throw no trash into the sea
With too much smog in the sky
Don’t throw no trash into the sea
Angels can’t see where to fly
So people listen
Don’t throw no trash into the sea
Don’t throw no trash into the sea
Don’t throw no trash into the sea
Don’t throw no trash into the sea

Outro

RexRed
12/30/09

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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jan, 2010 01:47 pm
@RexRed,
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/260772/january-06-2010/charles-moore
Quote:
Wednesday January 6, 2010
Charles Moore
Charles Moore talks about the garbage patch that's turning the Pacific Ocean into a plastic wasteland. (04:58)

RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jan, 2010 04:28 pm
@tsarstepan,
Thanks you for remembering me and posting here. It seems if we don't start cleaning this up it will continue to grow. Even if the faucet is on we need to then exert even more of an effort to clean it up. When a hurdler trips over a hurdle while in a competition they need to get up and exert even more effort to catch up and win the race. If we want to win we don't just say it is too hard and quit.

There is a goldmine there in the pacific. Years of petroleum products, trash is a commodity... Governments could set up piers in the middle of the swirl and recycle the plastics right there and manufacture them into eco-friendly products and ship them back to the mainland on nuclear powered barges. It is no different than fishing in the pacific but they are fishing for petroleum products rather than fish. Fisheries now process fish right on the boats into edible seafood why not employ these out of work fisher persons to clean up the sea..

Also all recycling today should include all plastics no matter the size. Are manufacturers telling me a plastic bag can't be made from tiny particles of plastic? Aren't they all still the same molecules? OR is it that oil from the middle east is just cheaper to make a bag from? Who pays in the end the earth and our oceans. Our marine life is on the brink of extinction and the ocean is becoming unlivable for them. Perhaps this is why the polar caps are melting (besides the tons of C02) because this pile of trash is affecting the global ocean currents. Perhaps warmer water is backing up into the polar regions because of the trash obstructions... Wasn't it an obstruction of ice in the Atlantic that caused the ice age? Perhaps there is a thermostatic hot/cold isostacy between the continental plates? Time to make manufactures and consumers pay OR ELSE! This issue is the greatest collective ecological shame of the last century.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jan, 2010 04:42 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
This paranoia about corporations being the source of all that is bad in the world is just that --- irrational fear and suspicion.
No its not. I started a thread a while back that had a premise that'Based upon good information, will a corporation or an industry "DO THE RIGHT THING"?

The answer has been HELL NO. Industries had known for years that things like PCBs and TCDD are environmental toxins, and just continued doing it until governments cracked sdown.DO you recall the cigarrette company CEO's who all stood in front of Congress and lied about smoking causing lung cancer?

ALL environmental changes for the good have been accomplished by government and all industries went kicking and screaming to the table.

I say that from almost 30 years experience in mining and resource extraction. IN gold mining we are STILL dribbling cyanide all over Cripple Creek Colorado and along the sides of mountains in Nevada and SOuth Carolina. The largest disposers of trash (In the US ) are done by Companies lke Waste Management or ALlied(previously BFI). They contract the municipal wstes and, although the govts , in this area, are complicit for turning their heads from the truth, the large disposers are the COMPANIES. Epa has attempted to stop ALL Ocean dumping and has met with mixed success. (Gets us back to Rex' point about special interests and waste company lobbyists and political action funds)
RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jan, 2010 07:20 pm
This is the worst thing I have ever seen in my life. I couldn't really watch it face on I had to wince.

BEWARE SEVER CRUELTY TO ANIMALS.
http://www.peta.org/feat/ChineseFurFarms/index.asp

Do corporations care where they get their fur, moreso how it is obtained? NO. Why do people even buy fur when more practical and ecologically friendly clothing could be made of inert refuse plastics.

I own a pig skin leather jacket and my logic was that millions of pigs are slaughtered a day for consumption but I wonder if they even use the leather from pigs that are slaughtered for food. Perhaps they waste a whole pig just to make a leather jacket. It wouldn't surprise me. I paid fifty bucks for my leather jacket. What is this world coming to?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jan, 2010 07:27 pm
@farmerman,
Thanks FM for your insightful support.

Sorry for the typo in my last post it is "severe" not "sever".

People send me this stuff in my email I guess because they know I care deeply.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jan, 2010 07:41 pm
I guess I posted this Peta link here in this ocean thread to make a strange but undeniable point. Humans are biased to our own class of species. We are appalled to see other mammals abused but we seem to have a blind eye to the ocean vertebrates. There seems to be a spectator mentality that the collective spectator mentality wants only to be entertained and have no real conscience. As back in Rome when mammals (Lions Bears Tigers etc...) were killed on a daily basis (even in small outpost arenas) for sport till the Romans had nearly depleted the entire continent of mammals, and the Roman people never batted an eyelash. Had the Roman empire not gone into decline perhaps many animals we see free roaming the forests of today would only be a footnote in history.
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RadAndRandom
 
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Reply Sun 21 Feb, 2010 02:35 pm
@RexRed,
Poor fishies. Sad
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 28 Feb, 2010 10:32 pm
This last tsunami close call in Chili could very well have been the beginning of the end for the human race. I don't know if the governments of the world just keep silent so as not to cause mass panic. This discussion starts with a simple toothbrush. A clever invention that helps a human brush and maintain their dental hygiene. I don’t know if I am the only one who notices these things or if there is even a single solitary person who has considered this anomaly other than the scientist in the big toothbrush manufacturing industries who make them and ship them from China to the dollar store.

What got me thinking about it is a tiny trash can in my bathroom full of toothbrushes. My logic was going to the dollar store and noticing the 5 toothbrushes for a dollar deal. I thought, now I don’t have to buy the expensive 3 and 4 dollar toothbrushes any more so I bought three packages, that is 15 toothbrushes for three dollars. I figured they would last me a year. They even came with travel caps so I could throw one in my gym bag and take one to the gym with me.

Well this is not the first time I have bought these tooth brushes. At the dollar store they come in several shapes, sizes and colors. The old adage one size fits every mouth apparently does not apply here. I really saw these attempts at size and shape not as giving the consumer a choice to find the toothbrush that is right for a certain person but the designers attempt back at the manufacturing toothbrush plant to keep redesigning a handle that would eventually come out with an optimum shape that would fit every mouth in the world comfortably. Thus in the end there would only need to be one type of toothbrush made.

Considering I will not be needing five covers to cover all five tooth brushes because I can simply wash one of the covers and use that over and over again. If I had five children and each one of them went to the gym and needed a cover then things would have been different. So the covers were the first thing that sparked my attention as wasteful. After I use five toothbrushes I can throw away five covers with them that will simply end up in landfill or floating out to sea. Since there are so many different shaped toothbrushes then the one cover fits all rule does not really apply.

In their previous toothbrush designs I noticed a problem. I would be brushing my teeth and I am quite a strong person and the toothbrush handle would snap off in my hand leaving me to jab my gums with the fractured plastic spear left from the broken handle. I reasoned that this was because back in the factory they had skimped out on the plastic hardener. Plastic needs a certain perfect balance of hardener to make the brush have the right amount of malleability versus strength. So I saw this as the manufacturers skimping out on the hardener to, err, make a buck…

(This reminds me that about ten years ago this practice was still going on. I was at Wal Mart and I saw some large plastic cups for sale for a dollar each. At the time I was raising young children and they were constantly dropping the thin glasses we were getting McDonalds at the time. The thin glasses would hit the floor and shatter into a million pieces. So I bought 5 of the plastic cups figuring they would last, well, a hundred years… When I got one home one of the children knocked one off the table and it shattered into a hundred tiny fragments. Again the manufacturers left out the needed amount of hardener to simply make a buck on the consumer.)

Yet the toothbrushes seemed to morph in shape and design over time. Since the packaging changed a bit and the look of the toothbrushes shape changed I decided to try them again at the risk of slicing my gums open. At the sake of the environment where I imagined millions of discarded toothbrush covers swirling around in the pacific ocean the dollar deal still lead me back in to the bargain.

So I noticed they had improved the design of the toothbrush handle it was more slender less plastic and finally there was enough hardener. I could torque the toothbrush and it simply would not bend like rubber nor break like glass. I thought, well finally a great consumer product. I was glad for a day or so that I had purchased 15 toothbrushes even though I considered the toothbrush covers an unnecessary expense to the environment. Then I noticed the second problem. Back at the dollar store I looked for medium bristles and they only offering was soft bristles.

I wondered, why? Then as I began to use the toothbrushes I figured it out. I brushed my teeth with one of the toothbrushes and the next day I was appalled, I picked up the toothbrush and the bristles of the brush were nothing but a rats nest. Again the manufacturers had not added enough hardener. So the hardener that they saved from making the handles more slender and durable they “cleverly” left out of the plastic for the bristles. I use the word cleverly because in reading the back of the package I noticed the words written that, dentists suggest we replace our toothbrush once a month…

Not once a day! I now have a trash can full of useless worthless toothbrushes. They could be recycled but no one is knocking on my door to collect them… There must be several million sold I know I bought 15...

It is a tiny trash can about one foot in height and in the trashcan is an empty toilet paper roll (biodegradable), An old shaver (something for the land fill) Some soap paper wrappers, An empty shampoo bottle and 15 rats nest toothbrushes and covers… Is there something wrong with that picture?

This is where we turn to the tsunami I mentioned earlier… I have discussed at length the two and nearing three swirling plastic dumps the size of France and Spain floating in the pacific. Well this last false tsunami call could have conceivably brought on the end of life on this planet.

Had the earthquake generated a big enough tsunami it may have sent these whirling plastic nebula out of their seemingly docile spin and distributed them uniformly throughout the ocean.

Think of the earth like a human heart or the vascular blood system of the human body. When you have a clot you die. Well the currents of the earth flow though the various channels, inclines declines and bottlenecks in much the same way. Were this plastic to disperse it would act like a type of blood thickener and would eventually bring the earths currents to a halt. Besides wrecking the seasonal harvesting because marine life would die from the global dispersal of this trash. All so we can have 5 toothbrushes with caps for a dollar.

I would rather pay three dollars for a toothbrush that lasts three months and after a month just pour isopropyl alcohol on it and it is like new… Also if one buys toothpaste with mouthwash in it that does the same thing and also freshens breath. There are also now these ridiculous toothbrush covers for each one and the other model at the dollar store had actual plastic toothbrush holders… How ridiculous and flagrantly wasteful to assume someone needs 5 plastic toothbrush carrying cases for a tooth brush that is gone after one brushing…

There absolutely no concern whatsoever by the manufacturing industry for the problem mounting in the ocean due to their wasteful and careless “ingenuity”… I mean no offense to the Chinese and I love China and do not fault the whole for the actions of a few… I am sure the exact same practices happen here in the USA too... I will continue to buy products manufactured in China, but the next tsunami off the eastern coast of the American continent might just carry this trash back to their shores where much of it came from… And what is the irony in that? Or the next tsunami may just disperse the entire rubble and we could end up with a world wide catastrophe.

Now a while back I suggested sending nuclear powered barges the size of aircraft carriers to the trash swirls in the ocean equipped with plastic recycling facilities on them. I just wonder had there been a tsunami if that might also have doomed some sort of fleet sent to clean up the rubble. Would 12 to 24 hours have been enough time for them to recover to safety?

Then I also was puzzled by the tsunami scientist’s inability to predict where the tsunami would occur and the magnitude thereof. This leads to another problem. Well maybe it is headed for Hawaii, or maybe Japan or maybe Australia… They might just as well said it is headed out and away and been more accurate… Perhaps it is hard to predict a tsunami that doesn’t actually “materialize” but given all of the earth sensors and the billions of dollars spent to ready the world for tsunamis it seems a wide prediction for such supposed high tech sensors.

I just recently read an article that HP intends to strap the earth with a several billion microprocessor chips and harness connected to super brain cpu’s to collect earth feedback. They said it was to help make the earth greener. Then the second part of the article talks about one of the unexpected benefits of this supposed “green” project is Shell Oil (irony their logo is a sea shell) funding this project so they can find more oil faster with less preliminary exploratory holes needing to be drilled. Well that is great, litter the world with more discarded computers that are already sitting at the bottom of the mercury filled ocean un recycled and more microchips to get stuck in the throats of fish and birds so we can find more oil and cloud up the air supply with even more CO2…

Is there something wrong with this picture or is this just me? It seems corporations have no concern whatsoever for the consequences of what they decide in their board meetings. They have this dollar store mentality. There is no ecological adviser on the board asking the question, would flooding the earth with a billion microchips cause greater harm to the environment than just simply cleaning it up the mess already and finding a way to mass produce hydrogen and electricity to fuel vehicles? To spend billions to flood the earth with microprocessors is that really the answer to the energy and global warming crisis?

I say produce hydrogen at the equatorial regions and use excess sunlight to do it. This will have many multiple benefits… It diverts the heat from the sun directed at the earth significantly reducing global warming directed by the sun at the earth’s core. It also produces enough hydrogen by using the sun’s energy to create hydrogen in order to fuel most automobiles.

We need the remaining oil left on this planet to make efficient solar collectors cells at the equator and not to be burnt by consumers in their automobiles. Isaac Asimov said we should use oil to light the lamp and not as the fuel burning in the lamp…

First they flood there earth with plastic worthless toothbrushes covers and carrying cases and don’t lift a single finger to clean it up and now they are going to flood it with microchips? This is utter madness… and the consumers will pay for this with mass extinction if we do not put a stop to it.

Putting sensors in the ocean to detect a tsunamis would not have stopped the earthquake and people still had 12 to 24 hours to get out of its way. A simple phone call or text message (even Morse Code) warning them in the various countries to evacuate the beach areas would have sufficed.

Consumers need to demand that the manufacturing corporations develop a toothbrush to comb the waters and clean up the bad smile on this planet because the earths breath (air) is filled with the putrid stench of CO2 from these plastics and petroleum automobile emissions. The earth’s teeth are falling out and the decay is ruining the earth’s health with heart disease. This global warming is caused by the very oil they want to hook the earth up sensors to discover more of. I say, leave it in the ground till we can use it more wisely. We don’t need sensors to know the earth is cooking and choking to death… LOOK AT THE TRASH it is sitting on the skin of the ocean like an open wound or an ugly boil.

The prognosis is 100 years before these plastics break down and what will the earth’s toxic levels read once these gasses have been released from these plastics and are filtering through the ocean we obtain sustenance from and the air we breathe? And we need quicker ways to find more oil? These same ecologists assured us the coral reefs were fine and look at them now? They want to build an ark to preserve their DNA. I say too little too late! We are taking a toxin from the ground and releasing it into our air supply sooner or later the fragile ecological chain is going to break.

Had there been a major tsunami we might be waking up to a global disaster with this plastic clogging very major artery of the oceanic currents of the globe. Must we find more of the oil that is drilled up and left discarded floating on the surface of the ocean. How about making things that last? Once these manufacturers have made their buck they feel no responsibility to use part of that buck to collect their old discarded toothbrushes sitting in my trashcan and the unneeded covers. Do consumers really need a disposable toothbrush that is designed to only lasts one day?

Did someone sit in on a manufacturing marketing team board and say, we are not selling toothbrushes fast enough, make them cheaper, make them break in your hand, include worthless covers and storage bottles, distract people from the real truth by cautioning them to change their toothbrush once a month… make them with less hardener and make the bristles turn into a rats nest in one day. Did they go home feeling proud of their marketing accomplishments? Is the world a better and brighter place because of their ideas and innovations? Consumers need a change… The earth needs a break. We need to use the sun that is outside of our earth and stop using the earth itself as if we cannibals and viruses, blood sucking and invading our own host…
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RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2010 04:18 am
Look what we've done to your earth ma
Look what we've done to your earth ma
We manufactured plastic
of ever shape and size
and floated it out to sea ma
Look what we've done to your earth...

RexRed 3/1/2010 (my own verse for a Melanie song)
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2010 04:25 am
parentehtically, rex, the dentists I have had all say that you should use soft bristles, not medium or hard, and don't bear down strongly when you brush, because nylon is harder than gum tissue and sharper and you can abrade your gums if you brush too hard. You may be using too much effort. And those brushes they've come out with in the last couple years with the fat, rounder bristles of some sort of synthetic plastic/rubber, seem to last forever. Which out to ease your future trash burden a bit.
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Philis
 
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Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2010 06:07 am
@RexRed,
SOME of the human trash in this photo is toothbrushes, lighters and plastic bottle lids. Baby albatrosses die alot due to eating this garbage.
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd284/Philis37/Ocean%20trash%20in%20Hawaii/090731-ocean-trash-pacific_big.jpg
This is just one remote Hawaiian beach.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 17 Mar, 2010 03:48 pm
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4113184/underwater-junkyard/?playlist_id=87249
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RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 29 Mar, 2010 12:19 pm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36083941/ns/technology_and_science-science/
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