CALIFORNIA MOVES TO LEGALIZE MARIJUANA

for sure, man..

Like.... I hear you, sista.

I can remember driving while stoned. Nowadays never, but from 1974-1980, on weekend, partic. Sat evenings about 50% of the time. I really got into being super-careful after having rcvd speeding tickets when driving when I wasn't stoned.

But, driving while drunk...no way! That is often a recipe for death or trouble of some sort. One or two glases of wine or 2 beers is acceptable...but any more than that, reaction time slows perceptibly.

So, when stoned, I purposely drove under the speed limit - not the wisest thing to do as far as safety and not attracting attention. I think my reaction time was fairly good as long as I was in the hyper-attentive mode, but God-help-us-all if a cool song came on the radio. A time lapse of say 5 sec might occur where I was paying little attention to the conditions. Thank heavens we didn't have cell phones then or I'd be dead or someone else would have been. It was tough enough having an 8-track tape or FM radio to distract me..then there's all those buttons to press. It defies my understanding of thw universe how people can text and drive.

Legalize marijuana? When people start to develop common sense and practice it while driving on the roads. Pay off Calif state's debt with profits from marijuana sales? Not so sure. Lots of legal battles to clear with Feds first.

California finances are in such desperate straits that state-issued IOUs are quoted at 75 cents on the $:

http://blog.skipmcgrath.com/
The state is already ignoring any number of federal laws because it has no money to enforce them - one more law won't make much difference.

Remember as Mr Natural said:" Dope gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no dope."

So, fix it at the federal level..
like, how can this still be going on?

(watch me not hold my breath)

Look out Colorado and Arizona. Leopards don't change their spots.

Unless you like deepening troubles that is.

I'm not quite a total libertarian on drugs, finding nothing redeeming about meth and maybe some other substances if I knew about them, but I have that general take. Endanger others, slammo. If not, your business.

Another problem I'm working out my thinking on is the costs for drug rehab - the luxe ones, sometimes truly absurd places, and whether all our insurance goes up to pay for those (not sure) and the lack of treatment for the many.

Yeh, I absorb a lot of anti california talk here, a lot of it from Dys, but also from others. Sorry, but I see some california ways could make some improvement here. Signage, for example. Drainage practices. Urban planning that is not out of the sixties.. Oh, never mind.

In northern california, I heard a lot of near-hate talk about southern californians, of which I am one. Heard that for many years.

In northern california and southern california, I heard about how oregon hated us, led by a famous to them governor.

Residents can leave california because property values increased to a balloon state, though not for the first time. (My father was born there in 1906, had something of a long view.) The reason the values balloon is that there is much good about california.

Some of the current scud is about the populace not wanting to increase taxation in any way. There is a history to all that.

Nothing would make me happier to see Feds legalize marijuana. The time couldn't be more appropriate then now with financial crisis. My concern is what would happen with the fundamentalists who fell alseep after the Republican elections defeat. Legalize or decriminalize pot and it could get ugly(ier) quickly.

The hallucinogen Salvia Divinorum is still legal! Let's have some of that meanwhile!

I thought salvia was dangerous

nope, I was wrong:

"If salvia is smoked the main effects are experienced quickly. The most intense ‘peak’ is reached within a minute or so and lasts for about 1"5 minutes, followed by a gradual tapering back. At 5"10 minutes, less intense yet still noticeable effects typically persist, but giving way to a returning sense of the everyday and familiar until back to recognizable baseline after about 15 to 20 minutes.[53]

Chewing the leaf makes the effects come on more slowly, over a period of 10 to 20 minutes, the experience then lasting from another 30 minutes up to one and a half hours.[53]

When taken as a tincture the effects and duration are similar to other methods of oral ingestion, though may be significantly more intense, depending on the potency of the extract.[52]


Immediate effects
Psychedelic experiences are necessarily somewhat subjective and variations in reported effects are to be expected. Aside from individual reported experiences there has been a limited amount of published work summarising the effects. D.M. Turner’s book Salvinorin"The Psychedelic Essence of Salvia Divinorum quotes Daniel Siebert’s summarisation, mentioning that the effects may include:[54]


An example of salvia-inspired visionary artUncontrollable laughter
Past memories, such as revisiting places from childhood memory
Sensations of motion, or being pulled or twisted by forces
Visions of membranes, films and various two-dimensional surfaces
Merging with or becoming objects
Overlapping realities, such as the perception of being in several locations at once
A survey of salvia users found that 38% described the effects as unique. 23% said the effects were like yoga, meditation or trance.[55]

Media reporters rarely venture to take salvia themselves, but one firsthand journalistic account has been published in the UK science magazine New Scientist:

“ the salvia took me on a consciousness-expanding journey unlike any other I have ever experienced. My body felt disconnected from ‘me’ and objects and people appeared cartoonish, surreal and marvellous. Then, as suddenly as it had began, it was over. The visions vanished and I was back in my bedroom. I spoke to my ‘sitter’"the friend who was watching over me, as recommended on the packaging"but my mouth was awkward and clumsy. When I attempted to stand my coordination was off. Within a couple of minutes, however, I was fine and clear-headed, though dripping with sweat. The whole experience had lasted less than 5 minutes.”

More saliva with your salvia sir, is this your first trip here?

I beg to differ re interesting and intriguing conversation.

The only thing worse than being straight and listening to stoned people have an intriguing conversation, is to be straight and listening to coked out people exhibiting their enhanced intelligence and insight.

Stoned philosophical conversation.

I love right around 1:07

Not from me you didn't - it's just Spendius's habitual incoherence, this time failing to distinguish between what I quoted and what I wrote.

PS your opinion on this would be appreciated, btw, Ossobuco:
http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/v-print/story/1998971.html

Here's a story that relates: http://unconfirmedsources.com/index.php?itemid=4095

LOL Nick. On the same publication is an even more relevant article: