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The secret handshake

 
 
Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2009 08:08 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Liar. At no time did i make any remark relative to being or not being "immersed in Irish culture." I simply objected to the commercial Irish "culture" of the United States.


"When i detect the Irish-American "secret handshake," i slip out of the room."

The above quote from you is what I misconstrued as not caring for the Irish culture.

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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2009 08:32 pm
@Setanta,
That's your informed opinion, Set, which I respect. I didn't know that background and have always loved the song. I won't say I loved Dennis Day - he was a guy on tv, but my father knew him from the Knights of Columbus and probably Family Theater, and he occasionally showed up at our church. As I figure you know, I've left all that behind, a path of anger that has quelled and I'm sometimes interested and sometimes touched - as of studying my ancestors even though they were my parents, but also occasionally with 'found' emotion. I don't want Danny Boy sung at my funeral (unlikely to have one) but I remember loving hearing it, and don't feel a need to apologize for that, re actual facts. I also get nostalgic at the entry song for the kentucky derby, whatever that music is.

I almost always disagree with foofie, but still choose to read and listen.
Calling him or her an idiot - I might have done that early on. I don't think it is useful.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 05:10 am
I don't refer to Foofie as an idiot because i consider it useful, i do it because i consider it entertaining, and he doesn't really seem to mind. It certainly doesn't stop his blather.

I've had a snoot-ful of the phony Irish-American culture, which is why i absolutely loathe songs like Danny Boy, or The Risin' o' the Moon, or worst of all, When Irish Eyes Are Smilin'. But i don't obsess over it. Boom asked about secret handshakes, and when i detect the Irish-American commercial Irish secret handshake and all day boredom session, i slip out of the room.
George
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 06:39 am
@Setanta,
Please pass the Lucky Charms.
Thanks!
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Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 08:48 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

I don't refer to Foofie as an idiot because i consider it useful, i do it because i consider it entertaining, and he doesn't really seem to mind. It certainly doesn't stop his blather.

I've had a snoot-ful of the phony Irish-American culture, which is why i absolutely loathe songs like Danny Boy, or The Risin' o' the Moon, or worst of all, When Irish Eyes Are Smilin'. But i don't obsess over it. Boom asked about secret handshakes, and when i detect the Irish-American commercial Irish secret handshake and all day boredom session, i slip out of the room.


Having worked with many Irish and Irish-Americans, I believe culturally they value a little entertainment to make the day go by more pleasantly. So, in this regard, I remember individuals that would break into a brough to emphasis, in a more poetical fashion perhaps, something that was on the agenda, or needed to be on the agenda; ta my way of tinkin', if I'm tinkin' at all!

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Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 09:18 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

I don't refer to Foofie as an idiot because i consider it useful, i do it because i consider it entertaining, and he doesn't really seem to mind. It certainly doesn't stop his blather.




Not really seeming to mind is not relevant, in my mind, to be redundant. I just do not care that you have a need to offer less than complimentary thoughts towards me occasionally. It does not negate your postive qualities that a modicum of maturity on my part still values.

Both of us being ethnics in a sea of Protestants in this country, I learned that there are some WASP's that would rather have more of me here, than more of some other folks. I am only guessing that that may be based on the "positive prejudice" that future contributions of the generic Foofie would benefit society, if not the U.S.A. In effect, Foofies have been discovered as a natural resource that should be treated kindly.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 11:06 am
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
You say you are not immersed in the Irish culture, yet you know the origins of music that made many a New York Irishman misty-eyed? Ah, begone with ye.


Set's just being a snob about the kind of Irish culture he approves of. I'm sure you're not worried about it, but ... don't worry about it Wink
Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 01:40 pm
@ehBeth,
Setanta is the only Irish American Diva knew who didn't just know there was a difference between Northern Ireland and Ireland, but understood the difference. And he once told me that one of the online communities he spent most of his time was an Irish one. (As in Irish-Irish, not in Irish-American.That was eight years ago -- not sure if it's still true.) This man is a double agent when it comes to Ireland!
George
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 01:54 pm
@Thomas,
Quote:
This man is a double agent when it comes to Ireland!

Consider his user name.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 01:55 pm
I refuse to answer on the grounds that it may tend to invigilate me.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 02:00 pm
@George,
Never thought about the user name. What does it stand for?
Chumly
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 02:18 pm
For me it's the eyebrows, mine are big and bushy and very sexy........Leonid Brezhnev didn't have anything on me! That and I'm often slinging a number of scientific calculators and/or guitars.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 03:25 pm
@Thomas,
The great mythic hero of the Irish is Cuchulainn. His given name was Setanta, which means the pathfinder (much hilarity ensued among Irish monks in the middle ages writing stories of Cuchulainn getting drunk, and getting lost). When he was a boy, he lived at the court of Conchubar, the King of the Ullaegh (pronounced "OO-lee," and the origin of the place name Ulster). One day, Conchubar and his cronies and men at arms were going to visit the great smith, Culann, who lives at his own dun (fort) and rath (greensward, or meadow, with in the walls of the dun), and has no men at arms, because of his great, fierce hound, who protects the dun at night.

Setanta, a terrible braggart like all good Irishman, was at that time playing at the hurly with the other boys of the court, himself alone against all of them, and humiliating them. He told the King he would come along later, that he had not finished thoroughly humiliating the other boys. The King basically said fine, but get there before nightfall if you don't Culann's hound to tear you a new one.

Setanta enjoyed himself until all the other boys quit in disgust, and then ran along the road to Culann's dun, dribbling his solid silver hurly ball (in hurly, that means keeping the ball in the air off the end of your bat, which looks like a cross between a baseball bat and a hockey stick). The King and Culann and all the boys have already eaten and gotten roaring drunk, and Culann lets his hound out on the rath as the sun sets, and no one thinks a thing about it.

Setanta comes running up the side of the dun, onto the rath, and the hound bays out loudly and goes for him. The King and Culann and the men inside immediately realize what has happened, and rush outside, prepared to see Culann's hound ripping Setanta to shreds. What they see, though, is Setanta loft his hurly ball into the air, and bat it straight down the hound's throat, killing him instantly. Everyone is relieved, except Culann, who bewails the loss of his hound, the protection of his dun.

Setanta says that in the three days that the King and the boys are partying at Culann's dun (pretty standard practice for the Irish), he will find the greatest hound whelp in Ireland, and return with him, and that then he will guard Culann's rath for a year and a day, while he trains up the whelp to guard the rath. This he does, and at the end of the year, Culann is satisfied, and Setanta gets his new name--Cuchulainn, "the Hound of Culann."
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 05:53 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:
And he once told me that one of the online communities he spent most of his time was an Irish one. (As in Irish-Irish, not in Irish-American.That was eight years ago -- not sure if it's still true.) This man is a double agent when it comes to Ireland!


I used to hang at that Irish website as well. Didn't tell the Pathfinder my user name there for a long time. Like I said, he's a bit of a snob as to which bits of Irishness he approves of. Doesn't mean he's any more right about what can be considered Irish than the firemen singing and marching in Toronto's St. Patrick's Day Parade.
Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 06:00 pm
@ehBeth,
I'm actually more offended by his insinuation that St Patrick's day is not an excuse for reckless beer-drinking. What an insufferable Philistine!

(Thanks for the background on Cuchulainn though!)
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Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 07:31 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

Set's just being a snob about the kind of Irish culture he approves of. I'm sure you're not worried about it, but ... don't worry about it Wink


Wrong. I am very worried about it. I think the remedy is listening to a few Italian or German operas, and then go back to the Irish music.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 08:02 pm
WOW Boomerang, It is good to see you being such a radical. Yes, you violate the Politically Correct Laws when you say such ****, but it is true that we are drawn to our own kind. It is genetics inbreed over millennia that causes us to act this way, and making it unacceptable does nothing but blur the line between fantasy and reality.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 10:28 pm
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:
Quote:
What does a flag say, Foofie? I have a big flag outside my house
but I'm not sure it really says anything about me to the outside world.
I fly it as a salute to my brother. I buy a new one every time he ships out.

The American Flag traditionally represents
the Founders' filosofy of Freedom and Individualism.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 10:31 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
stand outside walmart before July 4 and ask 50 people who bought flags why, dave. (bet nobody gives your answer)

dare ya!!

not saying yer wrong, either...




mine is long hair and tattoos (matched with intelligence, of some sort or other)
dadpad
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2009 02:55 am
Strine is the "secret handshake of Aussies across the world however all is not rosy down under mate.

Strewth, strine's going west with the dodo
The Age
Natalie Puchalski
June 13, 2009

NO MATTER how often the Prime Minister gives a "fair shake of the sauce bottle", it seems some strine is better left buried in the bush.

Even "Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oi Oi Oi" is starting to get on people's nerves, according to a survey of 2500 Australians by McCrindle Research. It found almost one in three feel "negative" or "very negative" connotations towards the catchcry.
"There is a self- consciousness and even a cringe factor which sets in with phrases like 'dinky di', 'crikey' and to some extent 'Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oi Oi Oi'…

However, phrases that still resonate include "true blue", "Down Under", "fair go" and "anything ending in mate ".

http://www.theage.com.au/national/strewth-strines-going-west-with-the-dodo-20090612-c67u.html

goodonya boomer mate
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