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'Continue for/until' vs. 'Lasts for/until'

 
 
Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2009 11:28 pm
Can you please give me some concrete guidelines on the use of these to phrases. I get the basic idea but there are some areas of cross-voer that are confusing.

For example-
1/'The house should last for 25 years' vs. 'The house should continue for 25 years.' Okay this is an example where 'last for' works and continue for sounds strange.
2/ 'He will continue until he finishes' vs. 'He will last until he finishes'

3/ It'll last until 5 o'clock' vs. 'It'll continue until 5 o'clock'

Can you give me some hard and fast rules on when and how to use these two words correctly. I don't think my brain can continue or how long this confusion will last.

Thanks
Koji
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2009 11:56 pm
@kiwichild,
I can see why this might be confusing, Koji. I hope this helps:

1. You're right. 'Last' is preferred here.

2. These two sentences really don't mean the same thing. Generally speaking, "He will continue until he finishes" is correct, simple and straightforward. The other sentence -- "He will last until he finishes" -- clearly implies that the person being described is having some difficulty and can't last long. With that sentence you are indicating confidence that he will "last" at least that long. We don't know; he might die soon afterwards. To say he will "continue" doesn't imply any such thing, merely tells us his time schedule.

3. The problem is similar here. Both sentences tell us that the program ("it") will be over at 5 o'clock. But the first sentence implies that there is some question about whether "it" can take up that whole time period. You are assuring us that it'll last that long.

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Ragman
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 05:52 am
@kiwichild,
Last has more of quality of an enduring or perhaps more passive nature or a process in a work effort. Continue might imply some sort ofmore passive mechanical motion or action... such as a continuing of a walk or an effort that might not require as much energy to endure.

It is not likely that the house is expending any effort that it needs continue. It lasts or endures. And, it's not appropriate term as it's an inanimate object that also has no motion.Whereas a car which is capable of moving can also continue on in motion but it also lasts as parts can wear out and the car can cease to be effective and be 'used up'.
Ragman
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 06:07 am
@Ragman,
oops...a little too early for me. I re-read that and please ignore the first paragraph, This is my rewrite:

Last implies more of a quality of an endurance or even a surviving a process.

Continue might imply some sort of passive mechanical motion or action... such as a continuing of a walk or an effort.
Last implies more about energy expended over a lifetime or even a shelf-life.

Continue is more general as to how long it will move forward or move on with no concern about expiration or survival.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 06:16 am
I will continue to insist that this is not characteristic of the American language, for as long as the discussion may last. Until, of course, so self-appointed expert shows up to tell us we are all wrong.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 04:59 pm
@kiwichild,
Quote:
For example-

1/'The house should last for 25 years' vs. 'The house should continue for 25 years.' Okay this is an example where 'last for' works and continue for sounds strange.

Is this not because the sense of one of 'endure/stand up to', in this case, the elements. Can a house continue?

2/ 'He will continue until he finishes' vs. 'He will last until he finishes'

Here, the difference is one of neutral versus enduring. In the first there is no idea of weakness, sickness, tiredness, etc, while the second entails that there is something amiss with the person.

3/ It'll last until 5 o'clock' vs. 'It'll continue until 5 o'clock'


Even here, with 'last' isn't there a slight idea of annoyance. If it's a movie, play or something similar, the neutral would be goes 'til. Confused
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 05:01 pm
@Setanta,
You might actually offer something of substance instead of just being petulant.
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