Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 09:24 pm
ATLANTA " Joining the Final Exit Network costs $50, and the privileges of membership include this: When you're ready to die, the organization will send two "exit guides" to show you how to suffocate yourself using helium tanks and a plastic hood. The Georgia-based organization says it is providing an invaluable and humane service. Authorities call it a crime.

Four members of the Final Exit Network, including its president and its medical director, were arrested Wednesday and charged with assisted suicide in the death of 58-year-old John Celmer last June at his home near Atlanta. Investigators said the organization may have been involved in as many as 200 other deaths around the country.

"The law is very clear, and they clearly violated it," said Georgia Bureau of Investigation spokesman John Bankhead.

The arrests came after an eight-month investigation in which an undercover agent posing as someone bent on suicide infiltrated the Final Exit Network, which bases its work on "The Final Exit," a best-selling suicide manual by British author Derek Humphry.

Members of the Final Exit Network are instructed to buy two new helium tanks and a hood, known as an "exit bag," according to the GBI. In court papers, investigators said the organization recommends helium because it is undetectable during an autopsy.

The network, which was founded in 2004 and claims 3,000 members, donors and volunteers nationwide, has long operated in the open. It has its own Web site, and its leaders have held news conferences and appeared at paid speaking engagements.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 09:36 pm
These people are providing a needed service. It's a shame the law can't go after real criminals instead.
roger
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 09:42 pm
@edgarblythe,
For sure. Their advice probably works better than the Anarchists Cookbook, and it's still out there as far as I know.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 09:45 pm
@roger,
Besides, there are other ways to do it without their help, so why blame them?




A Russian man died after guzzling a bottle of Viagra to keep him going for a 12-hour orgy with two female pals.

The women had bet mechanic Sergey Tuganov $4,300 that he wouldn’t be able to follow through with the half-day sex marathon.

But minutes after winning the bet, the 28-year-old died of a heart attack, Moscow police said.

“We called emergency services but it was too late, there was nothing they could do,” said one of the female participants who identified herself only as Alina.

NickFun
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 11:01 pm
Our government feels that people must suffer long and hard. They don't believe in an 'easy way out'. You must live until that last bit of brain wave stops functioning no matter how much you're suffering. Even your last breath could be drawn by a machine!
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2009 05:15 am
@edgarblythe,
But as much as they tried they couldnt get that smile offn his face.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2009 05:17 am
@dyslexia,
They can tell if theres helium in the guys system,noone has been looking for it until now,. Im sure that, in the future, whenever they see a corpse with a plastic bag over his face, they will do blood chemistry and include noble gas content.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2009 05:18 am
@dyslexia,
Nonetheless it's a matter of time, I think.

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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2009 05:24 am
I feel certain that such laws are the product of Christian fanaticism, which declares suicide a sin, without considering cases. I can think of no earthly reason that suicide should be considered criminal. Those who might argue that someone who was despondent or of diminished capacity for judgment might be talked into suicide by a self-interested party ignore that any crime would be on the part of the self-interested party. Simple enough to make that criminal.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2009 06:29 am
Set- Just noticed your signature. I love it.

Anyhow, just last week I went to a meeting that featured a guide from the Final Exit Network. He explained how his organization works. Personally, he has flown all over the country to be of assistance to a number of people. He cannot help the person with the carrying out of the suicide, only advise.

He said that he is seeing a few people now, one for over three years. His organization does not push suicide, but are there for practical help, and emotional support.

At the meeting, I picked up the latest version of Humphrey's "Final Exit", which demonstrates how to off yourself with the bag and helium. Apparently Humphrey is no longer as strong an advocate for taking pills, which, IMO, is a much more elegant way to go.

This society is so sick. It would euthanize a pet to "put it out of its misery", but would not do the same for a suffering human being.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2009 08:03 am
@Phoenix32890,
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Set- Just noticed your signature. I love it.


Credit where it's due . . . it comes from a placard on a bus in the humanist "atheist signs" campaign in England.

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This society is so sick. It would euthanize a pet to "put it out of its misery", but would not do the same for a suffering human being.


I agree completely, and once again would point to the religious goofballs, who seem to think that suffering is visitation of God's judgment, and should be meekly endured. Like so many people in Europe (although usually only the Protestants) in the 17th and 18th centuries, Edmund Nelson, a C of E preacher and the father of the famous naval hero Lord Horatio Nelson, would not wear eyeglasses because he considered his short-sightedness to be a judgment of the Lord, and any suffering associated with it to be an ennobling experience.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 1 Mar, 2009 04:21 pm
OLYMPIA, Wash. " Terminally ill patients with less than six months to live will soon be able to ask their doctors to prescribe them lethal medication in Washington state.

But even though the "Death with Dignity" law takes effect Thursday, people who might seek the life-ending prescriptions could find their doctors conflicted or not willing to write them.

Many doctors are hesitant to talk publicly about where they stand on the issue, said Dr. Tom Preston, a retired cardiologist and board member of Compassion & Choices, the group that campaigned for and supports the law.

"There are a lot of doctors, who in principle, would approve or don't mind this, but for a lot of social or professional reasons, they don't want to be involved," he said.

But Preston said discussions about end-of-life issues between doctor and patient will increase because of the new law, and he thinks that as time goes on more and more doctors who don't have a religious or philosophical opposition will be open to participating.

"It will be a cultural shift," he said.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2006 that it was up to states to regulate medical practice, including assisted suicide, and Washington's Initiative 1000 was passed by nearly 60 percent of state voters in November.

It became the second state, behind Oregon, to have a voter-approved measure allowing assisted suicide
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