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The nature of hamas

 
 
Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2009 07:56 pm
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Hamas is a bully aided by a bigger bully, Iran. And, just as strident and threatening human bullies get away with their aggression so long as no one calls their bluff, so Hamas has been getting away with murder and torture because the UN and many states won't call its two-faced self-portrayal as the victim in the piece. In the struggle to take over Gaza from Fatah, it went on a rampage that killed hundreds of Palestinians. Even during this most recent assault, in early January, it executed Fatah members for violating their house arrest. A few weeks ago, Hamas determined to hurt yet more of its compatriots by introducing Islamic hudud punishments to the Strip, from amputations and stonings, to crucifixions and hangings.

Like all bullies, it likes to taunt its victims. It did just that for years after Israel left Gaza, firing rockets every day into towns like Sderot or Netivot. No one who has dismissed these rockets as harmless homemade toys has ever had the guts to spend a few weeks in Sderot, scurrying from shelter to shelter. And, oh yes, it also built up an arsenal (supplied by Iran) of Grad missiles that certainly aren't anybody's toys.

Like all bullies, Hamas likes to make boastful threats. Its 1988 Covenant is replete with them. It threatens to destroy the State of Israel by violence and violence alone. It says it will never accept the work of conferences or peacemakers, and only jihad will solve its problems. Meanwhile, the Palestinians see their lives drained away in a culture that embraces death and martyrdom, their children exposed to a steady diet of military training and preparation for violent death as suicide bombers.

Even if the Palestinians want peace, Hamas won't let them have it, because Hamas knows best, and jihad "is the only solution." Don't believe me, read the Covenant. It likes nothing better than killing Jews, and the bigger bully in Teheran thinks that's a damn fine thing too. No one says a word, because the UN is dominated by the Islamic states, and the Western governments know where the oil comes from, and nobody likes the Jews much anyway. The people calling for the end of Israel while they march on the streets of London and Dublin aren't all Muslims by any means.

There can be no greater indication of this boastfulness than what has happened in recent days. Having taken a heavy battering from Israel, Hamas now proclaims a "great victory," and its supporters dance in the ruined streets of Gaza, drunk on their own demagoguery. For all its bluster, Hamas, like all bullies, is a coward at heart. Watch those films of Hamas gunmen dragging screaming children along with them to act as human shields, watch how they fire from behind the little ones, knowing no Israeli soldier will fire back. And even as they put their own children's lives at risk, they shout to high heaven that the Israelis are Nazis and the Jews are child-killers. This blatant pornography spreads through the Western media, and people never once ask "what does this look like from the other side," because they are addicted to the comforting news that the Yids are baby-killers as they'd always known, that they do poison wells, that no Christian child is safe come Passover. Hamas has become proficient at resurrecting the blood libel, just as its fighters use the Nazi salute, just as their predecessor in the 1930s and '40s, Haj Amin al-Husseini, conferred with Hitler about building death camps in Palestine and raised a division of SS troops in Bosnia to fight for the Reich.

We watch The Diary of Anne Frank on television, and some of us attend Holocaust Remembrance Day events, and others pay lip service to Jewish victimhood; we like our Jews emaciated and helpless under the SS boot. But the moment real Jews stand up and show themselves the stronger for all their deaths, it awakens an atavistic fear, and people recoil from them. Jews in uniform, how unseemly. Jews beating the bully, how unheard of. Jews with their own state, what upstarts.

IN MY home country of Ireland, we glamorize the great nationalist heroes who rebelled against the bullying forces of imperial Britain in the uprising of Easter Sunday 1916. In France, they venerate the heroes of the Resistance against the occupying forces of Nazi Germany. In Spain, they have not ceased to heap praise on those who fought against the forces of fascist bullies and lost. To stand up against an enemy bent on your destruction is everywhere counted an act of bravery. But not when it comes to Israel. In 1948 and 1967 and 1973 and 2006, Israel fought off overwhelming forces who made no secret of their plans for an imminent massacre of the Jews. But nobody now seems to care, no one lauds the courage the Israelis displayed, and no one praises the extraordinary restraint they showed in victory.

In a bizarre reversal of all their commitment to human rights and the struggle of men and women for independence and self-determination, the European Left has chosen again and again to side with the bullies and to condemn a small nation struggling to survive in a hostile neighborhood. It is all self-contradictory: The Left supports gay rights, yet attacks the only country in the Middle East where gay rights are enshrined in law. Hamas makes death the punishment for being gay, but "we are all Hamas now." Iran hangs gays, but it is praised as an agent of anti-imperialism, and allowed to get on with its job of stoning women and executing dissidents and members of religious minorities. If UK Premier Gordon Brown swore to wipe France from the face of the earth, he would become a pariah among nations. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad threatens to do that to Israel and is invited to speak to the UN General Assembly

Israel guarantees civil liberties to all its citizens, Jew or Arab alike, but it is dubbed "an apartheid state"; Hamas, ever the bully, kills its opponents and denies the rest the most basic rights, but we march on behalf of Hamas. The Left prefers the bully because the bully represents a finger in the face of the establishment? Almost no one on the Left has any understanding of militant Islam. Their politics is a politics of gesture, where wearing a keffiyeh is cool but understanding its symbolism is too much effort even for intellectuals.

I have personally had enough of it all. The whining double standards, the blatant lies, the way their leaders have forced Palestinians to suffer for 60 years because peace and compromise aren't in their vocabulary and because they won't settle for anything but total victory. Painful as it was, in the 1920s Ireland created a republic by compromising on the status of the North. Ireland subsequently became a prosperous country and, in due course, one of the hottest economies in the world. When the Israelis left Gaza in 2005, they left state-of-the-art greenhouses to form the basis for a thriving economy. Hamas destroyed them to the last pane of glass. Why? Because they had been Jewish greenhouses.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2009 09:25 pm
@gungasnake,
Too much truth, I believe, for those that have reasons to be anti-Israel. But, as the saying goes, "Fcuk 'em!"
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2009 09:35 pm
Good article, Gunga. I posted it here too and gave you credit for the find:
http://able2know.org/topic/79142-354#post-3549289
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2009 09:37 pm
@Foofie,
I'll say it again, there is a difference between barbarians and savages and the particular collection of dickheads which calls themselves hamas is several centuries away from rising to the level of barbarism, best case.

gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2009 09:40 pm
@gungasnake,
I mean, think about it just a tiny bit. Attilla the Hun and Chengis Khan would NEVER in this ******* world have used Hun or Mongol women and kids as shields for any purpose on Earth.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2009 09:53 pm
@gungasnake,
You're right. Many aggressors throughout world history have been savage, brutal, ruthless, and without mercy. But even they had a better code of ethics than what Hamas has been demonstrating.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jan, 2009 10:29 pm
Hamas has already indicated that this generation of Hamas is willing to make peace with Israel for a two-state solution. That's not nearly as appealing as a permanent treaty but even a generational treaty puts the lie to the claims that they only know jihad and they've repeatedly shown the willingness to use self-interest and reason, bargaining for economic and political power since they've been elected.

As unappealing as it may be, right now Israel's best chance at security is though engagement with Hamas.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jan, 2009 03:34 am
@Robert Gentel,
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Hamas has already indicated that this generation of Hamas is willing to make peace with Israel ....


By firing several thousand rockets into Israel's southern cities over the last three years after Israel vacated Gaza unilaterally?

A "Two state solution(TM)" involving gaza and the so-called "West Bank(TM)"??

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You have some other example of a "state" consisting of two pieces of property separated by another country which, for its own safety, cannot allow the people of the "state" to pass through its territory?? Or a state consisting of two million people whose only skill in life is suicide bombing??

I strongly suspect that somebody needs to be looking for some other sort of a solution to this particular problem.

Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jan, 2009 08:29 am
@gungasnake,
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I strongly suspect that somebody needs to be looking for some other sort of a solution to this particular problem.


Ain't that the truth.

And since I am convinced there will NEVER be peace in that area so long as the state of Israel exists there and any Arabs exists there at the same time...

...the only solution I see is the elimination of the state of Israel in that area...or the elimination of all the Arabs.

Volunteers?????

gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jan, 2009 08:49 am
@Frank Apisa,
Again, it's far from ALL of them, just a couple million, and they (palisavages) don't have to be eliminated, just moved.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jan, 2009 09:28 am
@gungasnake,
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Again, it's far from ALL of them, just a couple million, and they (palisavages) don't have to be eliminated, just moved.

Sorry to rain on your parade, Gunga...and I loathe being this pessimistic...but...

...it is EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM...or you might as well deal with none.

They mate, you know?!

Yup, even if you are correct that they are just savages, they breed.

And the resulting kids are Arabs also. And I can damn near guarantee that they will eventually be Arabs that resent and hate Jews.

And...just imagine what moving the “couple of million” will do to the Arab psyche.

Nope...either every last Arab has to be killed...or the state of Israel has to relocate.

Or...which is what I think the choice will be...both Arabs and the state of Israel continue to exist right where they are...and they continue to despise each other and to kill and maim each other at every opportunity. Forever!

The choices are fairly clear.
old europe
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jan, 2009 09:42 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

You have some other example of a "state" consisting of two pieces of property separated by another country which, for its own safety, cannot allow the people of the "state" to pass through its territory??


Sounds a bit like Western Germany, when Germany was still divided and West Berlin was pretty much an island within the German Democratic Republic...
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jan, 2009 11:05 am
@Frank Apisa,
It still isn't ALL arabs; just the palis. Other arabs live in places like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Jordan, and apparently have had no problem dealing with Israel for the last several decades.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jan, 2009 11:13 am
@gungasnake,
Okie dokey!

So eliminate only the Palestinians...and if you can, only the Palestinians who hate Israel and the Israelis...and everything should be just fine.

Give it a try.

You may be right!
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jan, 2009 12:22 pm
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
By firing several thousand rockets into Israel's southern cities over the last three years after Israel vacated Gaza unilaterally?


No, by saying so explicitly. A Hamas spokesperson has indicated willingness to engage a generational truce with Israel in exchange for a Palestinian state.


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Ahmed Yousef, Hamas's political adviser to de-facto Gaza Prime Minister Ismail Haniya, told the Middle East Times during an interview in his office in Gaza City, "In the next few years we would consider a long-term 'hudna' [or ceasefire] with Israel for 10 to 15 years."

"If Israel ceases its occupation of Palestinian land, halts military incursions into Gaza and the West Bank and recognizes the right of return of Palestinian refugees," Yousef added, "we would be prepared to sign a ceasefire with them."

When asked about what would happen in the aftermath of a long-term ceasefire agreement with Israel, Yousef explained that it was up to the next generation of Palestinians to decide.

"The current leadership of Hamas will not recognize a Jewish State, but maybe the next generation will be smarter than us and reach a different consensus as to a mutually acceptable accommodation with Israel.

"Perhaps if they have had the chance to live in an environment where there is not daily bloodshed, bombardments, bombings and killings and an economic siege they would be more approachable in regard to a peace settlement," Yousef said.

"[Palestinian President] Mahmoud Abbas and even [former Palestinian leader] Yasser Arafat recognized Israel. There are no rockets being fired from the West Bank, and in fact Abbas' security forces are arresting and disarming Hamas members at the behest of Israel," he said.

"Yet Israel is continuing to build settlements, expropriate our natural resources such as water. Furthermore, Israel has done nothing to ease the movement and access restrictions caused by nearly 700 checkpoints there which have crippled the Palestinian economy and made life unbearable for Palestinians," he pointed out, and asked: "What does the West say about this?"

"But really, there is so much hypocrisy in the West when they focus on our refusal to recognize Israel," Yousef told the Middle East Times, "while Israel does everything possible to prevent the establishment of a viable Palestinian state."


http://www.metimes.com/International/2008/03/14/ceasefire_fails_hamas_says_truce_possible/1762/


Israel vacated Gaza but controls its borders and airspace, this would be considered an act of war against any sovereign state, and they've made clear that they aren't willing to make peace without said sovereignty.

Neither were our founding fathers.

Palestinian leaders have recognized Israel for some time, but Israel has avoided territorial negotiations by arguing that certain factions (Hamas) or individuals (Arafat) just can't be negotiated with.

And on Israel's side, Likud is a major Israeli party that also doesn't recognize the Palestinian's right to exist and does everything they can to avoid any settlement with Palestinians. Israel too has its elements that are not willing to make the territorial concessions needed for a two-state solution.

And please support your contention that two million people only have suicide bombing as a skill. By all accounts I have read the total numbers of Hamas military operatives number in the low 5 digits (around 30,000), and you are wrong by orders of magnitude if you are arguing that the entire Palestinian population is engaged in the attacks on Israel.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jan, 2009 10:36 pm
@Robert Gentel,
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And please support your contention that two million people only have suicide bombing as a skill. By all accounts I have read the total numbers of Hamas military operatives number in the low 5 digits (around 30,000), and you are wrong by orders of magnitude if you are arguing that the entire Palestinian population is engaged in the attacks on Israel.


http://www.pmw.org.il

As far as I can tell, the entire population of gaza is being indoctrinated for a total war. Unless you're trying to claim that only 30,000 of them watch this ****.



Foofie
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2009 11:44 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

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And please support your contention that two million people only have suicide bombing as a skill. By all accounts I have read the total numbers of Hamas military operatives number in the low 5 digits (around 30,000), and you are wrong by orders of magnitude if you are arguing that the entire Palestinian population is engaged in the attacks on Israel.


http://www.pmw.org.il

As far as I can tell, the entire population of gaza is being indoctrinated for a total war. Unless you're trying to claim that only 30,000 of them watch this ****.



From the link it appears they may very well be getting readied for what you say. That might explain the high dealth toll amongst Palestineans. Perhaps, Israel's lesson to them that one should be careful what one wishes for, one might not like what one gets?
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