The Biblical Flood and its Nature

gunga wrote;


One animal, the reem, Noah could not take into the ark. On account of its huge size it could not find room therein. Noah therefore tied it to the ark, and it ran on behind.[34] Also, he could not make space for the giant Og, the king of Bashan. He sat on top of the ark securely, and in this way escaped the flood of waters. Noah doled out his food to him daily, through a hole, because Og had promised that he and his descendants would serve him as slaves in perpetuity.[35]

Well gunga old buddy...if og represents a dinosaur... and this dinosaur, who was able to converse with and enter agreements with a human, was to be a slave to Noah in perpetuity..... how'd that work out? Because I gotta tell ya, I'd love to have a couple of indentured dinosaurs for my events business.That would make pony rides look like a bugger. I'd clean up.

Reptilian advice for the evening... Don't let anybody without a medical degree on the wall touch you or anybody related to you with a needle of any sort. I have one asshole inlaw who wanted to have the coolest biker tatoo in all of southern jersey, who goes through life with medical devices attached on account of it. Life has enough problems which are unavoidable....

I said some of these details are fanciful; others appear to be sufficiently real.

The onliest problem is that you are unable to distinguish the two.

I appreciate the advice and will not denigrate it.... but I think the chances of that are about the same as the chances of me being struck by lightning... and I truly mean no disrespect...

I've provided a2kers with a fabulous source of ancient literature here.

Anybody who spends any time going through it will notice that dinosaurs are referred to as oddities and apparently leftovers, the idea being that there were very small handsfull of such walking around at a time just prior to the flood.

To my thinking in particular, there is no way humans could have ever survived on this planet when it was inhabited by the smaller kinds of carnosaurs and raptors. Those would have to have been gone before humans got here.

The fact that you "Buy" into this Flood story with no apparent sense of skepticism tells me that you come from a special worldview through which all evidence is filtered .

I used to believe in all that stuff, then I learned to read and visited museums and my parents either took me or sent me to The petrified forest, Grand CAnyonDinosaur NAt Park, and the Allegheney Front .

Humans and most animals normally try to live near water. In fact they say that something like 80% of the targets we'd ever want to hit would still be within range of the guns of Iowa-class ships if they were still servicable. That's what made the battleship the ultimate weapon prior to the age of aircraft.

That also says that most (the overwhelming bulk) of all antediluvian remains are beneath the waves. That's probably why we don't find bones of dinosaurs and mammals intermixed.

And that's why we have so many reems and giant ogs around today! Tell me Gunga, do the male waters have penises and the female waters have vaginas? So many unanswered theological questions!

There are hundreds of thousands of drillholes in continental shelf and slope areas. None of them have ever shown that dinosaurs and mammals have been mixed. In fact, most of these drill holes out to the con shelf show marine deposits. SOme drill holes closer to shore do show some continental deposits but no evidence of mammals and dinosaurs together.

This is a very important "fact" for your hypothesis gunga. Its a falsification statement that is more responsible for revealing your hypothesis as false.

Boringly we seem to find ALL the dinosaurs from the Triassic to the Cretaceous and triconodont,symmetrodont pantothere , and multituberculate mammals all from the Jurassic to the K. Triconodonts and Multituberculates made it into the lower Eocene. MArsupial and Monotremes Appear in the Cretaceous and Placentals dont appear until the lower Eocene. We have excellent stratigraphic control on mammals nd dinosaurs and NOWHERE do we find anything that deviates from that sequence.
We dont have any evidence of dinosaurs and modern mammals living together. The only evidence is of mammals evolving more primitive orders during age of dicosaurs. MOdern mammals like Marsupials and placentals werent even in the fossil record until the Eocene when all dinosaurs had alredy disappeared. Monotremes, do seem to cross the boundary but weve only got a few fossil monotremes and theyre not even certain what a fossil monotreme would bring to the table since most of its characteristics are soft tissue dependent.

We should see , somehwere that mammals, dinosaurs, birds,reptiles and all styles of fish and srthropoda should exist together(Im not even gonna start with evidence about plants, but lets just say that your hypothesis doesnt stand up too well)

When you decide to buck scientific evidence, the only valid way is to present alternative evidence, not a vague statement that "These mammals and dinosaurs are probably out in the wave xone" Thats silly thinking. We often work with multiple hypothesis and then we test them. Thats the only valid way to present theories and advanced hypotheses. Your statements of hopeful ignorance are ludicrous from their face.
You admit that coexistence between mammals and dinosaurs is critical to your worldview, yet you are unable to admit that your explanation is not only without any evidence, it is clearly shown to be counter what scientific evidence already shows.

Or as Ricky Gervais said
"Theres not a lot of detail in here, but heeeey, its the BIBLE, Its gotta be true, Right?"

This is what cracks me up. The several chapters of Genesis which deal with the flood are, if anything too prolix. They repeat the same information again and again, in slightly differing forms, and often creating contradictions. Scholars who study the textual nature of scripture consider that the flood myth as told in Genesis represents an inept attempt to reconcile several conflicting accounts at the time the Pentateuch was either first combined into a coherent body, or heavily revised after the Babylonian captivity.

It ain't just that Gunga Din here peddles so much bullshit, it's how consistently he is wrong about just about everything.

Here's another classic example . . . his ignorance is just breathtaking.

As I noted, humans generally live near water. You'd expect most if not all remains of antediluvian human settlement to be beneath the waves and in fact entire cities are now starting to turn up beneath the waves.

http://members.toast.net/rjspina/Japan%27s%20Underwater%20Ruins.htm




100' down...

Other megalithic remains have been found off of India and in fact off of Cuba at great depths:

http://www.s8int.com/water19.html

Oops, I almost slipped in a big pile of snake oil.

I mentioned that the flood was part and parcel of a larger solar-system wide calamity of some sort. As far as we have been able to detect so far this planet is all which remains of the system which is still habitable for anything beyond bacteria. Nonetheless there are unmistakable signs of prior intelligent life in other places in the system. Mars is the most obvious case, but then there is also Saturn's little moon Iapetus with its great circle wall:

http://rst.gsfc.nasa.gov/Sect19/Sect19_19a.html





No ****.... My own theory is that there must have been something like slammites or demoKKKrats on it, and the normal people built a wall and simply gave the assholes their own half of the place to live on.

Those "megalithics" are actually gabbro and basalt . All the rocks have structures that are displaced by the movement between theblocks. That indicates that it was all one rock unit that had fractured. No humans are needed. This was studied at some depth a few years ago and the conclusions were all the same. No "Atlantis" , its a flood basalt with horizontal and vertical joints. This is a common feature

You are an amazingly gullible soul.

A certain American religious sect has been looking at conditions of the world during the Flood. According to their calculations, during the Flood the winds, tides and currents were in an overall southeasterly direction. This would mean that in order for Noah's Ark to have ended up on Mount Ararat, it would have to have started out several thousand miles to the west. This would then locate pre-Flood civilization somewhere in the area of Upstate New York, and the Garden of Eden roughly in New York City.

Now, in order to get from one place to another, something must move. No one in New York remembers moving, and there are no traces of Biblical history in the Upstate New York area. So we are led to the only available conclusion in this time warp, and that is that the Ark has simply not left yet.

Laurie Anderson - excerpt from United States Live