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All-Time Worst Detroit Cars

 
 
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 10:17 am
@Bi-Polar Bear,
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

on a serious note....


I don't believe it, pony boy wants to get serious Shocked
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 10:33 am
Carbon fibre still is a bit pricey (think about bottom lines) The Japanese are experimenting in it foir their higher ends. Ford has been leading the industry for Al and Mg hoods and billet wheels and polycarbonate impact surfaces.
The Japanese have some really nifty Ti?fe steels that can be milled to very thin layers an composited for passenger compartments. These are really tough and everything else around it is sacraficial because in crumpling , the energy is disbursed around the passehgers.

The only problem in my book is the cost of fender benders . HAving a crumple zone makes totalling a car more desirable even for benders. I remember as a kid, my grandad had something like a 37 something or other and he flipped the car on the ice and it landed on its roof and there were hardly any dings. The sheetmetal was like an icebreaker.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 10:48 am
@Bi-Polar Bear,
The biggest innovation in archery in the last ten years has been the High Country carbon fibre arrow, light to the point of non-existence and ungodly strong, they can be fired through plywood with 80-lb bows without damage.

The only problem in a car would be having something, presumably not carbon fibre, crumple or do something or other to take up energy in a crash. The carbon fibre elements nine ways out of ten would not be harmed.
cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 11:38 am
@gungasnake,
I only shoot carbon fiber arrows, even the cheapest ones far outperform aluminum. They rock.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 11:54 am
@cjhsa,


CF is good stuff, but expensive.
I am looking for an affordable drop-in carbon stock for my M14s.
No bedding needed and it reduces the weight by over 2 pounds.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 11:57 am
@Bi-Polar Bear,
Exactly Bear...I've said the same thing a few times.

There is nothing to worry about if the Big 3 go under.....the market will adjust, they always do.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 12:07 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Carbon fibre still is a bit pricey (think about bottom lines) The Japanese are experimenting in it foir their higher ends. Ford has been leading the industry for Al and Mg hoods and billet wheels and polycarbonate impact surfaces.
The Japanese have some really nifty Ti?fe steels that can be milled to very thin layers an composited for passenger compartments. These are really tough and everything else around it is sacraficial because in crumpling , the energy is disbursed around the passehgers.

The only problem in my book is the cost of fender benders . HAving a crumple zone makes totalling a car more desirable even for benders. I remember as a kid, my grandad had something like a 37 something or other and he flipped the car on the ice and it landed on its roof and there were hardly any dings. The sheetmetal was like an icebreaker.


I have a 1972 Mach One Mustang as my project car. It's currently in Houston being fixed up by my Pa who has done a wonderful job restoring it in his spare time.

That sucker is a tank. I was rammed by a suburban once, which slid down my right front fender and popped my headlight off. Dented the metal up pretty good - but the other car was totaled, and I do mean totaled. Broke both axles, ripped both tires, suspension was fucked, left side body destroyed.

Cost me about 150 dollars for a replacement light, and we beat the fender out ourselves in the garage. No problem. There's just no substitute for thick steel.

Here's the car, same paint job, 'cept I don't have the odd underbody in the front, and there's a 6-barrel carb on mine.

http://www.barkingranch.com/garage/images/72%20Mustang%20Mach%201%20Medium%20Yellow.jpg

Someday I'll drop an electric engine in the thing and tool around in style.

Cycloptichorn
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 12:17 pm
Couple of points...

Shooter, Pinto's were NOT front wheel drive, one reason the escort was developed.

(now there is a candidate for really crappy platform of the decade.)

Secondly, the vega had some very interesting design innovations, but GM and the EPA gutted the cool stuff for gloss.

(see Cosworth Vega)
http://www.richardcole.com/Cosworth/cosworth.htm
cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 12:34 pm
@Rockhead,
Sorry, thought they were. That means that old Pinto was even more of an engineering marvel/curio than I thought. Smile
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 01:05 pm
@Rockhead,


While my '71 GTO was getting a new convertible top installed I was
loaned a new Cosworth Vega to drive and it was a sweet little car.
Chevy should have refined the chassis to match the drive train.

Mt last American car was worthless a POS Ford Crown Vic Interceptor.
Nothing but and Honda cars and Toyota trucks for me since then.
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George
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 01:14 pm
For a short time I had a '79 Dodge Omni "Miser".
Bare bones, not even a radio.

The only joy I ever got from it was selling it to my brother-in-law.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 01:18 pm
@George,
my sis rolled an 82 omni during a lapse in her insurance...

worst crap I ever rebuilt. (she had a loan on it)
George
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 01:29 pm
@Rockhead,
There was something left to rebuild?

If mine had rolled, I'd be sitting in a pile of rust, holding a steering wheel.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 01:36 pm
@George,
it was a major...

To add insult to injury, it happened on the way to a giant kegger in the prairie, and the partiers later got hold of it...

(no glass left)

I can still hear her cry when we went to get it the next day, and she saw what had happened. She was a high school senior.

I hadda top it, get 2 new doors, a hood and a hatch, and it weighed more than the sticker said when I got done, bondo is heavy...

(I hated that car before I was done)
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 01:50 pm
I'll nominate another.

1981 Cadillacs with "v8-6-4" technology.

a marketing campaign for a mechanic's nightmare
flyboy804
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 02:13 pm
Although I liked the car, the 1960 Corvair was condemned by just about everyone. It was the first rear engine car I had driven so it felt like power steering to me. Of course when zooming accross a bridge I always had the sense that I was approaching take-off velocity. One thing that could be considered a plus or a minus, depending on your personal views, it gave Ralph Nader his start.
cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 02:35 pm
@flyboy804,
Hey, at least Detroit didn't build the Yugo. That one did fly off a bridge once.

Yugo off bridge
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George
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 03:01 pm
@Rockhead,
Quote:
I'll nominate another.

1981 Cadillacs with "v8-6-4" technology.

a marketing campaign for a mechanic's nightmare

My Dad had one of those.

When he died in 1999, I went out to Hobart Indiana to square away his stuff.
This old beast was in the garage. I used it to tool around and decided to drive
it back to Massachusetts instead of flying. The weather was unseasonably warm
(this was in January) and I didn't realize that the heater wasn't working until I
got to the motel room I had reserved in Buffalo. Believe me, you don't want to
be driving in that part of NY state in January without a heater. Damn near froze
my toes off.

I was going to try to get it fixed up, but it just wasn't worth it.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 04:29 pm
@flyboy804,
Nader was dead on the money wrt the Corvair, which was a singularly dangerous car. Try to drive through anything even remotely resembling a sweeping turn going slightly downhill and the damned thing felt like it was trying to tuck one of the front wheels in and roll. I drove one just once and refused to have anything to do with them afterwards.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 05:27 pm
AMC made some real beauties Laughing
 

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