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Obama/ Love Him or Hate Him, We've Got Him

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 11:21 am
@Phoenix32890,
Phoenix32890 wrote:

As they say, "You can't please everybody". My point is that Obama comes from the far left fringe. If he is as inclusive as he claims, he will come to realize that he needs to modify some of his plans to satisfy a larger cohort of people.

He also has to remember that there are gubernatorial and congressional elections over the next few years. Right now the Democrats are riding high. If he wants to keep the support for his party, IMO, he needs to be aware of the larger picture.



Many brilliant men couldn't match socks or follow a recipe or read a map. A high IQ is great if channeled into positive practical application. It isn't particularly useful otherwise and most of us prefer that madmen not be geniuses. I am impressed with Obama's poised delivery style in public speaking; less so when he works without a script, and I think he has it 100% wrong about several things. But I also think he is more a man intent on public adulation than of any particular conviction and, in the end, that could work to his advantage in a successful presidency. It certainly worked for President Clinton.

Meanwhile, it is too early to be declaring post mortems on Obama's presidency and I stand with others who do NOT want conservatives to commit the unconscionable verbal destruction of Barack Obama from day one as was done to President Bush. Let us pray he chooses what is best for the country as much as possible. We should support him when we can, and oppose him when we cannot. But I will not condemn him before he deserves to be condemned.
JPB
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 11:38 am
@Foxfyre,
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I also think he is more a man intent on public adulation than of any particular conviction


Interesting... So when he graduated with impeccable credentials from Harvard Law and could probably write his own ticket into any law firm in the country, you think he became a community organizer on the south side of Chicago for adulation over conviction?

Wow.
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 11:42 am
That anger will never dissipate as long as the dems continue to buy our media and votes.

Had this been an ethically FAIR election I would have been the first to concede.

To think they did it to a woman too... that is lower than dirt.

I am supposed to just be all happy for the bullies?

When I was young boy and in grammar school, girls were really my only friends because the boys were jealous and mean to me. I was attractive, witty, musical, cultured, physically fit and I was also openly gay. Had I been effeminate acting maybe the boys might have left me alone.

Even my only real male friend "the smartest boy in school" would desert me when the other boys were around. The boys would challenge me almost daily and would "often" hurt me physically just because they didn't even dare to go up to a girl and say hi.

The pettiest and smartest girls in the whole school always sat around my desk every day passing notes. The boys resented this. At one point I was the only guy in the school band. When the various sports teams would play boys against the girls I was nearly always picked to be on the girl’s team. Can you even imagine how I felt? I was the guy that went to school every day fearing for his life. For the record, masculinity has never been my weak point either. The boys learned I could easily defend myself. And yes the girl’s team usually won when I joined their team against the boys.

It makes me sick to see grown men treat Palin like rotten vicious school boys on the playground all pensive because they never bonded correctly with women.

Take it from someone who has seen this behavior first hand, ok?

They not only treated Palin poorly they broke the eye for an eye rule of how they themselves might like to be treated but they also broke the rule of Jesus Christ where he showed mercy and grace for women. All so the dems could win their greedy election.

I rarely ever reward bad behavior with favor.
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JPB
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 11:43 am
@Foxfyre,
From 'Thought Gadgets':

...And over at his main site BarackObama.com, Obama flipped on a splash page today to request donations for victims of Hurricane Gustav -- which socked the Louisiana and Texas coast back on Aug. 25. Obama has created an online fund-raising engine that churned in millions of dollars and had to stop raising funds for himself on Nov. 4; rather than shut down the engine, he's simply redirected the horsepower...

http://www.barackobama.com/splash/aid.html

No conviction?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 11:52 am
@JPB,
Well he is an elitest you know, in fact rumour has it he often thinks in complete paragraphs. My neighbor, Linda the plumber, voted McCain/Palin because she finds it difficult to follow anything more than incomplete sentences and mnemonic grunts.
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 11:57 am
@dyslexia,
Quote:
Well he is an elitest you know, in fact rumour has it he often thinks in complete paragraphs. My neighbor, Linda the plumber, voted McCain/Palin because she finds it difficult to follow anything more than incomplete sentences and mnemonic grunts.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeW4UyPzdGk

Golden tongued stutterer
dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 12:04 pm
@RexRed,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkQDbfF4RqA&NR=1
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 12:07 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

Quote:
I also think he is more a man intent on public adulation than of any particular conviction


Interesting... So when he graduated with impeccable credentials from Harvard Law and could probably write his own ticket into any law firm in the country, you think he became a community organizer on the south side of Chicago for adulation over conviction?

Wow.


I'm just going on what I have observed. If one has his sights set on fame, power, and glory, going into a big law firm is probably not the most effective way to do that.

Why did a kid from Hawaii pick Chicago to put down roots when there wasn't a big money offer from anybody there? What results does he have to show for his community organizer days? He admits it was to have more power that prompted him to move on to the state legislature. That seems to have netted Michelle a great raise and gave him opportunity to sit on boards that funneled money to some of those community organizer groups, but again, what results do we have to show for all that money and/or efforts? It did produce groups who raised money for and signed up folks who would vote for Barack Obama as he climbed the political ladder.

Then all during the course of the election, we saw the message shifting and changing as it was politically expedient to alter it, and the media mostly not challenging him or the message during all that. So what are his core convictions about a lot of that? Does anybody know?

We saw him boldly pronounce that elect him and we would change the world. And now we are seeing him and his surrogates bringing down expectations of what he can accomplish.

Noting such things is not judging him. It is observing what is.

I don't know what is in Barack Obama's heart and soul. I doubt you do either. And I won't try to second guess him and/or judge him without knowing that. But strength of conviction is not something that has been clearly obvious to me so far. Of course it is good to ask for help for hurricane victims. I would have seen it as a matter of conviction if he had announced that he would start off the fund raising with $xxx from his own bank account.

All we can do is watch and observe and speak out on those issues that we should. And hope for the best.

RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 12:15 pm
@parados,
Quote:
Thank you for being a "real American" and supporting your president elected by more than 50% of your fellow citizens.


"Real Americans" are not hoodwinked by the liberal hate media machine.
i.e. The Daily Kos, Arianna Huffington, Michael Moore etc...
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 12:20 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
I also think he is more a man intent on public adulation than of any particular conviction


Foxfyre wrote:
I'm just going on what I have observed....

Noting such things is not judging him. It is observing what is.


Your doublespeak skills are impressive. You state you are NOT judging Obama, yet you indeed judged him to be a man without convictions solely intent on securing the adulation of the public. You based your personal judgment of President-elect Obama on your observations which, in turn, were skewed by your blatant partisanship.

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JPB
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 12:24 pm
@Foxfyre,
At the risk of initiating a Miller tirade on her living conditions, I would guess that a very good reason for choosing Chicago over anywhere else is because his wife is from there and her family still resides there. To me that shows conviction to her and to family.

There are Obama fans that can respond to every one of your questions point for point. I don't want to expend those energies. What I find interesting is that the one thing I don't question is his convictions. I do question his ability to do what he says he wants to do but I have no reason to think he aspires to adulation even though he may be receiving it from some quarters.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 12:26 pm
When Bush won look how the liberal Michael Moore responded... Did Michael congratulate him and promise to work across the aisles? No he steped across the isles and spit in our faces! Michael put out a slanderous mocumentary implying Bush bombed the towers himself.

Now the "documentary" that the conservatives will probably make about Barack STEALING AND BUYING the election will probably be ALL TRUE!!!

Do you think the liberal news medial will allow that to become a best seller? Do you think Hollywood will offer the documentary makers an award for exposing Barack's CORRUPTION?

Will Barbra Streisand and Sean Penn nominate it for an academy award?



Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 12 Nov, 2008 01:00 am
@RexRed,
Rex - The way your mind malfunctions is matched only by your ability to truly speak in the idiot's tongue. WTF are you rambling about? Is it truly that hard for you to compose a coherent thought?

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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 12 Nov, 2008 10:09 pm
@Diest TKO,
Is there an A2K 'Talking Point Memo" that circulates among left-wing posters suggesting that they attack RexRed on the basis of coherence?

I don't see a failure in the coherence of his posts, but I do see a pattern of his opposition calling him on "coherence."

Maybe it's just the newbie and thrall lefties following the suit of their heroes.
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Thu 13 Nov, 2008 01:22 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Well the fact he speaks in the tongue of idiots explains why you can understand him (Sorry, couldn't pass that one up).

Seriously though, coherence is a pretty fair thing to ask for. Rex, Spendi, and OmSigDavid's posts are so littered with non-sense, it's impossible to talk to them about anything. It's too much effort to translate it into something worth addressing.

Especially in a thread Rex starts about the Statue of Liberty holding a bible.

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 13 Nov, 2008 02:03 am
@Diest TKO,
Quote:

OmSigDavid's posts are so littered with non-sense,
it's impossible to talk to them about anything.
It's too much effort to translate it into something worth addressing.

Interesting; I never had a clear understanding of your posts either.
Not even the way u write your name.

Anyway, that being the case, I recommend
that u put me on IGnore, and reciprocally, I will do so. Good bye.





David
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 12:51 am
@Diest TKO,
Whether or not you agree with RexRed's most recent post, it is hardly incoherent.

If you would like me provide you with the CliffsNotes version, I will.

Spendius is by no means incoherent, although I fear that like George Sands he will one day kill himself and leave a suicide note reading; "I'm leaving because I am bored."

OmSig David affects a peculiar writing style much the same way as you affect your trademark signature. I find it interesting (at least in his near flawless adherence), but can always understand what he is saying.

The difficulty you experience is debating these three may have more to do with you than them.


OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 02:04 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:

Is there an A2K 'Talking Point Memo" that circulates among left-wing
posters suggesting that they attack RexRed on the basis of coherence?

I don't see a failure in the coherence of his posts,
but I do see a pattern of his opposition calling him on "coherence."

Agreed.
I suspect that TKO ' s denunciation of Rex is based upon
philosophical differences that are manifested in his subject matter
more than on the lucidity of his writing; in other words,
it is unlikely that TKO woud have said that of another leftist.

When I put TKO on Ignore, it was not from personal antagonism,
but truly, the difficulty of understanding what he intended to say
in his posts was irritating, for however many months or years.
Meaning nothing personal, I sincerely felt that what he posted
was not worth the trouble of figuring it out,
as he said of my posts. We just don 't understand each other.
Its a good thing that we don 't have to work together
and its a good thing that we have the Ignore feature.





David
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 04:18 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Fair play Finn.

I can dig a different angle. We all have our problems. Mine most obviously was my careless spelling and typing errors for the longest time. I honestly still don't care about spelling or typing errors on a forum like this.

A porloy sepelld snetnace wtih good iedas is sitll btteer tahn a prefcetly sepelld snetnace wtih bad ones.

I did finally fold though and made changes to my posting method. I switched over to Mozilla for it's built in realtime spell check, and I began re-reading my posts before clicking submit (most of the time... Razz ) I did so, because I found it a waste of my time (and others) to have to clarify things.

As for a talking points memo on RexRed's or Spendi's coherence, as you identified in the whole "talking points memo" notion, I'm noth the only one saying this, so while I appreciate the reminder to look at this from another angle, I hardly think I'm going to be the least common denominator. In short, They are just incoherent.

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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 05:04 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

JPB wrote:
Interesting... So when he graduated with impeccable credentials from Harvard Law and could probably write his own ticket into any law firm in the country, you think he became a community organizer on the south side of Chicago for adulation over conviction?


I'm just going on what I have observed. If one has his sights set on fame, power, and glory, going into a big law firm is probably not the most effective way to do that.

Why not? Bill Clinton worked for a law firm.
 

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