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I Am Sick of This Election

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2008 04:01 pm
@Foxfyre,
Quote:
David Gergen flat out said it yesterday. When asked if it was a done deal that Obama would be President he said "No. Obama is black." (Paraphrased but that is very close.)


There may or may not be truth to the what Gergen is implying, but what he and all the others that bring up Obama's race as a possibility for his defeat fail to recognize, in their fervor to bemoan racisim, is that if Obama loses because of racisim, it will not be the racisim of the people to whom they so readily associate the trait, but to the others who they believe are free of it: Liberals and Moderates.

(Perhaps they do recognize it but don't want to go there)

A considerable majority of conservatives will not vote for Obama, and would not vote for him if he were white. So even if a portion of them are racists, his skin color makes no difference in their voting decision.

If he loses because of racisim, it will be because of the racisim of people who would have voted for him if he were white, but decided not to because he is black.

Of course I am hoping he loses for more important reasons, but watching Liberals blame racisim for his lose will make it that much more gratifying.
Ragman
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2008 04:06 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Andrew: OK..I understand you now. Your point is clearer.

As I stated earlier, I feel that campign finance reform is way overdo. They should be limited to the contributions that taxpatyers allot them on the Federal tax return. Give them all say a nominal amount of $1. So the 100 million taxpayers contributions would equal #100m. They would by neccesity have to shorten the season and the amount of paid campign ads.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2008 04:08 pm
@blatham,
He did? I though he said it's not a good idea to announce to our enemies when we will attack them.
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SYNRON
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2008 04:14 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
And how is "racism" defined, sir?

' a doctrine that INHERENT differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement,usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior.

If you don't think that there are a large number of African- Americans who are racists, you haven't listened to Minister Farrakhan.( I know you are aware of his ideas).

Of course, the moderate UNITER of all peoples, Barack Obama attended the last million man march!
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2008 04:16 pm
@Ragman,
That's not a bad idea, Ragman. I can see one downside, though -- it would favor the very rich. I don't see how there could be a law to prevent a rich person from spending his/her own money to finance a campaig. Of, course, to some extent that is already true. Regardless of that hilarious myth that any American can become president, the people who do get in are usually either filthy rich themselves or are taking orders from filthy rich backers.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2008 04:21 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Money "is" the only fuel that will win any election.
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Ragman
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2008 04:23 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Perhaps it's relevant because as a democracy, we'd like to think that not only the rich and those who can generate so much PAC money could attain the Presidency. Hence all this focus on campaing finance reform.

Andrew: Am I missing something?
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SYNRON
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2008 04:24 pm
@Foxfyre,
I think you shouls put me on ignorn after Joe from Chicago is put on ignore for posting distubing pictures about me after my posts when I had only been on these threads for one day.

Apparently, comments by morons like ci who asked-

Mc Cainwas a pow?

and mental retards like Bi Polar that McCAIN was walking stiffly not because the Viet Cong had not cared for his broken legs but because he was wearing DEPENDS, don't bother you but if I STATE A FACT ABOUT OBAMA

Definition--mulatto- the offspringof one white parent and one Negro parent

THAT BOTHERS YOU???

Boy,have you been trained to jump through hoops by the 'POLITICALLY CORRECT" crowd.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2008 04:25 pm
@Foxfyre,
The discussion which followed David Gergen's comment was at least as interesting as his comment. Definitely more interesting than the debate itself.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2008 04:26 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Perceptive, Finn, perceptive. A take on it I hadn't thought of. Whomever wins or loses on November 4, however, I will be glad when it is a done deal and we don't have to be sick of this election any more. I do wish we could get back to the point that candidates were elected via a preference of the voters rather than via perceptions that somebody 'stole it' or 'cheated' or other unattractive insinuations.

But it will be interesting to see how the Obama supporters play the race card in event of a loss without pointing that finger at themselves. Smile
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2008 05:00 pm
@Foxfyre,
I find it insulting that we are accused of playing a race card in the future.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2008 05:01 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

I find it insulting that we are accused of playing a race card in the future.


Yeah I would be insulted by that too. I think it is insulting to imply Democrats would do that, and I think it is insulting to say that racism is the only way that McCain could win too. So let's hope Mr. Gergen is wrong. Whoever wins in November I hope it is without any question of anything other than the preference of the voters. We have had entirely enough rancor and toxicity and flat out hate. It would be very nice to to set all that aside and get back to bitching about government in general the way I remember it once was.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2008 05:12 pm
@Foxfyre,
Alas, it looks, at this point, that Obama will win, and so we will not get to see them fall into the trap.

The only reason I am glad there are several more weeks to this election is that it allows more time for some game-changer to occur.

I admit, though, that I would feel far less tired of this campaign if McCain was kicking Obama's butt.

I would be less focused, but a lot happier.
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mason738
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2008 05:14 pm
@Foxfyre,
How incredibly naive you are, FOXFYRE. Nothing will get back to "GOVERNMENT IN GENERAL THE WAY YOU KNEW IT"

Don't you know that the Democrats will control both houses and Obama can push through anything he wants?

Dont you know that Obama will name three far left liberals to the Supreme Court?

This country is doomed to become a SOCIALISTIC REPUBLIC!
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2008 05:23 pm
@Foxfyre,
Racism is definitely in play, whether Obama wins or loses. I have a brother in law that goes ballistic at the thought of a black man even in contention. A man at the apartments keeps telling me it will be the downfall of this nation if a black man gets elected. I believe for most voters it is not the decisive factor. After the election, if he does lose, it depends on the breakdown of which districts voted against him whether racism was that big a factor. I believe if Obama loses, the biggest factor will probably be that the pendulum swing away from liberal thought has not begun its back swing yet. In the not so distant past, conservative was a political dirty word in the mainstream, even when not deserved. Same today for liberalism. Knee jerk voting.
mason738
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2008 05:31 pm
@edgarblythe,
OBAMAwill not lose. American voters comprise a great many morons who know the winner onAMERICAN IDOL but do not know the name of their Representative in Congress. Obama will appoint three radical liberals to the Supreme Court. When the nation begins to come apart in two years, edgarblythe, I will remind you. In the interim, patriots like your brotherinlaw and your landlord will form the army that will toss Obama out on his ass in 2012.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2008 05:33 pm
@edgarblythe,
Knowing something of your general area, I believe what you're saying, Edgar, but I think it is not a prevalent point of view. I can honestly say that I have not heard a single racist comment re Obama in our area and I enjoy a pretty wide circle of family, friend, neighbors, church folk, and business associates. If anybody harbors any such thoughts, he or she is sure playing it close to the chest. Of course you and I operate in different ideological circles. My worst concern is that if Obama wins, the pendulum will remain stuck to the far left. Smile

But knee jerk yes. Most people seem to be voting against something than for anything this election. And that is unfortunate.



edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2008 05:36 pm
@Foxfyre,
Many of us are rejecting extremism and reaching for some semblance of order.
 

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