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Canned Trout/ Why Aren't they Processed for Humans?

 
 
Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 04:03 pm
Years ago, I used to buy little cans of trout. They came in a can about the size of a sardine can. They each held two trout. They were delicious, and were great for a fast lunch.

All of a sudden, I could not buy them anymore. Whenever I went to a different market, I would look to see if they had them, but no, they were not available.

Today, I started thinking about those trout. I went on the net, and typed in "canned trout". I found plenty of canned trout, but only for cats and dogs.

Does anyone know why trout is no longer processed for humans? I don't think that I would want to try a can of cat food!
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Reyn
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 09:08 pm
@Phoenix32890,
Canned trout? Never heard of it. How long ago was this?
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 09:18 pm
I am going to guess that it was because there was no market for them. Canned fish fell out of favor decades ago, it is socially unacceptable to eat the stuff around others because of the stink for one thing. Sardines are even difficult to find sometimes, and they once were very popular.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 09:47 pm
@Phoenix32890,
Phoenix32890 wrote:

Today, I started thinking about those trout. I went on the net, and typed in "canned trout". I found plenty of canned trout, but only for cats and dogs.


I think hawkeye is right and that the market determined whether or not it would be available in your market. It's available elsewhere and you can get it imported:

http://www.germandeli.com/apfiofsmtr11.html
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 09:55 pm
@Phoenix32890,
Not sure, but here in New Mexico the trout population is carefully monitored with strict limits on how many fish you can take. The rarer trout like the Cutthroat require extremely pricey fish stamps and you're limited to 2 fish--at least the last time I checked. Trout is also hard to find on local restaurant menus even though the Rainbow Trout is our state fish.

I'm guessing that the populatons are either not healthy enough or plentiful enough for serious commercial fishing that would be necessary to make canning profitable? That is a pure guess though.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2008 08:16 am
@Robert Gentel,
Funny thing. When I was surfing, I did see the name "Appel", but could not find any stores that sold it. Thanks for the link, Bob. As I remember, the fish that I bought was not smoked, but I might want to try the Appel stuff. Except, notice that the trout is not in stock.

I keet seeing references to a product that was once sold by Trader Joe's. They no longer sell it.

Hawkeye- I don't like sardines (too salty) but whenever I looked for the trout I would find all kinds of sardines on the shelf.

I was just wondering whether there were any legal ramifications of selling the trout in the US for humans.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2008 08:53 am
@Phoenix32890,
Though Appel is a German firm (part of the Heristo Groupl, you don't get their canned trout - nor smoked trout from by any brand neither.

The reason is quite simple: fresh smoked trout is a lot cheaper. (In supermarkets, you get them even cheaper, vacuum packed.)
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Reyn
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2008 12:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Canned fish fell out of favor decades ago, it is socially unacceptable to eat the stuff around others because of the stink for one thing. Sardines are even difficult to find sometimes, and they once were very popular.

I beg to differ, in regards to the "Canned fish fell out of favor decades ago" comment.

Speaking for what is available on the shelves in the grocery stores in my area (BC, Canada), canned salmon and tuna are very popular still. They particularly sell well if there's a sale on.

For those who cannot afford fresh salmon, canned is a very viable alternative and nuitritious.

Sardines are never hard to find here (and still popular), and several varieties are usually available, packed in tomato sauce, olive oil, or water. Occasionally, the tiny bristling sardines from Norway aren't always there, but the price on them has increased dramatically over recent years anyways.

Phoenix32890 wrote:

I don't like sardines (too salty) but whenever I looked for the trout I would find all kinds of sardines on the shelf.

Pho, the sardines packed in water are not as salty as the others packed in tomato sauce or olive oil, but it's still a matter of taste.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2008 12:11 pm
@Reyn,
The Norwegian kind of 'sardines' are sold here as 'sprats' (they are indeed sprattus sprattus), seldom canned, mostly fresh, too.

But we do get various brands in various in some dozen different sauces of sardines, mostly from France and Morocco (or other Mediterranean countries).
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2008 12:13 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I eat lots of sardines and canned salmon. Trout, I have never seen canned.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2008 01:32 pm
@Phoenix32890,
phoenix wrote :

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Years ago, I used to buy little cans of trout. They came in a can about the size of a sardine can. They each held two trout. They were delicious, and were great for a fast lunch.


pretty small trout if two fit into a sardine can .
just bought fresh rainbow trout , two halves weighed about 1 1/2 pounds - would require a large can .
in ontario we can buy all kinds of canned fish : salmon , tuna , mackerel , sardines , herring in various sauces , even the "sprats" that walter mentioned - they are smoked and canned in latvia , called "riga sprats" .
we can also buy all kinds of pickled/salted fish in glass jars : herring , anchovies , gefillte fish ... ... even jellied eel ;
but haven't seen any canned trout .
btw while i like panfried trout , hot out of the pan ; i also like it cold with a bit of pepper on a slice of buttered rye-bread - will have some tonight !
hbg

but here we have "smoked , canned trout" for phoenix - apparently not available again until april/may : http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/502956

smoked , canned sprats from latvia - delish !

http://latviansonline.com/images/spratsindex.gif
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2008 01:48 pm
@hamburger,
'Original Kiel Sprats'

http://www.paul-schrader.de/WebRoot/pschraderdb/Shops/ps-shop/images/products/500x500/3026.516.jpg
Very Happy


Reyn
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2008 02:01 pm
@hamburger,
hamburger wrote:
pretty small trout if two fit into a sardine can .
just bought fresh rainbow trout , two halves weighed about 1 1/2 pounds - would require a large can .

H, one would presume that they would be baby trout, much like bristling sardines? Wink Laughing
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hamburger
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2008 02:02 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
"kieler sptotten" should be eaten "warm" - just when they are coming out of the smoke house .
i remember when we were in the black forest some years ago , we could buy smoked trout : still warm ! a bun and a glass of wine (federweisser ?) made a nice lunch .
hbg

http://www.forellenzucht-belser.de/bilder/bild4.jpg

http://www.quere.de/Federweisser-Schild.jpg
Reyn
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2008 02:08 pm
@hamburger,
Sounds like a fishy story to me! Laughing
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2008 02:10 pm
@hamburger,
What I miss are the marinated anchovies I could get in various california fish markets or delis..

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2084/2500765855_b245970f14.jpg?v=0

Just read recently that anchovies are getting scarce in parts of europe..
hamburger
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2008 02:21 pm
@ossobuco,
we can buy these at our local danish deli :

http://www.yellowman.dk/images/medium/food/n5701063012102_MED.jpg

or consider obtaining a copy of :

http://www.library.upenn.edu/exhibits/rbm/aresty/images/007.jpg



Laughing Shocked
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2008 02:29 pm
@ossobuco,
Anchovies are on the "threatened fish list".

Anchovy populations in the Bay of Biscay have been struggling since 2002, as overfishing left fewer adult fish to provide eggs. The fishery suffered a complete failure in 2004 and is now officially closed.

Stocks in the other big European anchovy fishery - off the Portuguese coast - are also critical. Anchovies are still legally caught there, though quotas have been restricted.


I still remember the days when you got fresh buttered anchovis as cheap (mostly even free) snack in French bars along the coast (like elsewhere nuts or chips) ...
hamburger
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2008 02:43 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
walter :

always something new to learn !
it looks that what we called "anchovis" (mainly from denmark and sweden , i believe) aren't really "anchovis" , but disguised "sprats " .
btw i also read that in 2006 there were masses of sprats in the baltic - interesting .
anyway , call them what you will , they taste good - particularly with hardboiled eggs .
hbg

are they anchovis or anchovis ?

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchovis
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2008 04:46 pm
@Reyn,
Americans eat on average 3 oz of canned sardines per year....I stand by my comment that they are out of favor
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080717_seafood.html

Cured fish in 1909 was consummed at the rate of 4lbs per person per year, in 2001 it was .3lbs per person per year, again, I stand by my statement
http://www.answers.com/topic/canned-and-cured-fish-and-seafoods

Kindly bring facts with you if you want to argue that I am wrong.
 

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