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Sarah Palin wants creationism taught in science classes

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 11:11 am
@McGentrix,
Are you just stupid or ignorant? If it wasn't for Palin's religious leanings, her push to teach creationism would be moot. Which party to do you think are the long rangers for this issue? Why do you think it's called "the religious right?" Any clue?
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 11:51 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
Palin is not the Republican Party of Alaska. The thread title says "Sarah Palin wants creationism taught in science classes", Not "Republican Party of Alaska wants creationism taught in science classes."


Well as long as you are picking nits, then note that she does want creation taught in science classes and you haven't pointed out anything incorrect about that title.

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Sarah is entitled to her opinion though so long as she does not try, and so far I have seen no evidence of her trying, to make her opinion law.


You have intended that for the "Sarah Palin wants to make her opinion on creationism law" thread. I never claimed she's not entitled to her opinion. I just find it sad that there are so many people in a developed country who share her beliefs and would accept her as a leader.

It's a sad commentary on American education and religious culture to me. People have a right to be stupid, but that doesn't mean I can't lament it.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 11:58 am
@Robert Gentel,
There is far worse stupidity to lament then this.

That you would allow for any single issue to be a go or no go on a candidate for example. I find that to be rather narrowminded. No one should be subjected to such extremes.

Pro-abortion? No vote for you even though you have several other great qualities that could make you a great leader! Anti-abortion?! No vote for you!

I think you get the point.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 12:42 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
There is far worse stupidity to lament then this.


So? There are a lot worse threads to criticize than this but I don't care if you decide this is the one you are interested in responding to because I don't think you are in any way obligated to tackle all worse ones before making a comment on the lesser evils.

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That you would allow for any single issue to be a go or no go on a candidate for example. I find that to be rather narrowminded. No one should be subjected to such extremes.


This isn't that much of a political issue to me, as long as she's not going to campaign on it or try to institute creationism in science classes I don't think it reflects on her as a political candidate, I think it reflects on the American culture in that it produces so much more of these creationists than other developed countries.

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Pro-abortion? No vote for you even though you have several other great qualities that could make you a great leader! Anti-abortion?! No vote for you!

I think you get the point.


I don't think there's anything wrong with that. If someone doesn't want to vote for her based on any of her political positions I may not agree with them on how important that position is, but I think they are voting in a much more reasonable way than by party or personality.

If her creationism really meant that much to me I think it would be a perfectly valid reason to reject her as a candidate. For me personally she could be the spitting image of my perfect candidate and it wouldn't matter. I don't accept the top of her ticket because of his position on the Iraq war anyway so this really doesn't make a political difference to me.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 12:56 pm
@Robert Gentel,
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It's a sad commentary on American education and religious culture to me. People have a right to be stupid, but that doesn't mean I can't lament it.


I'm not sure stupid is the right word.

They may take a view on the American educational system as a whole and it's front line staff--the teachers. In respect of this neither side can trust the other so it is natural for them to become polarised. It is possible in England to employ a rabid atheist and an equally rabid creationist in any subject and the kids not even know. They try not to bring themselves into the classroom. Like the best performers the song comes before the singer.

I don't know, but A2K has caused me to think that American teachers are not as backward at coming forward as our's are. Hence it is important to all lot of people that "in loco parentis" does not get into the wrong hands.

This is only an impression I have but it was confirmed by Mr Hofstadter in his anti-intellectualism book. You have a lower opinion of teachers than we do, and our's is only lukewarm, and their salaries are such that it is unlikely to increase.

Given that, if you will, the sides become extreme. They cannot be " stupid" because there are enough of them to be sure that their average IQ is 100 and if you class that as stupid you might have to devise some special IQ tests to keep a hold on any friends.

I'm assuming Bob that you are making a run for office as a distant goal. $thousands and thousands of hours are objective evidence of a mission. Nobody in their right mind would go in for that just so that we lovely A2Kers can argue the toss, commiserate with each other, play silly word games and carp and whine about everything under the sun including you.

I'm too world weary not to know that the devoted servant of the people seeks to get his nose in the posh trough. That's why I favour those who have been familiarised with the posh trough since birth. With a leavening from lower down of course.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 9 Sep, 2008 11:40 am
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September 6, 2008

My Week: Sarah PalinAccording to Hugo Rifkind
Monday

I’ve been John McCain’s running-mate for a few days now. People say, what about the scrutiny? But I’m used to scrutiny. I’ve been the Governor of Alaska for 20 months, and for 19 of them I’ve had every photographer in Wasilla camped outside my house. All of them. Jed, Wilbert and Ezekiel. So don’t tell me I don’t know about pressure!

I kill stuff. That’s what you gotta understand. I’m just your average hockey mom who kills stuff. And then uses that stuff to cover her house. Wall to ceiling. You think that’s a fake raccoon skin lampshade? You think this carpet ain’t real moose? You think that singing fish on the wall wasn’t a real fish? I killed stuff more often than Barack Obama had hot dinners. I killed stuff more often than I had kids. And I had a lotta kids. Seven? Nine? Who’s counting?

Tuesday

Related Links
How perfect is Sarah Palin’s First Dude?
John McCain and me, we talk the same language. When we first met, that much was clear. “Sit yourself down, John S. McCain,” I said to him. “Shift Mr Stuffed Beaver out the way, hang up your coat on Mr Elk Head, and let’s get to know each other. I’m a hockey mom. I kill stuff. I went to Germany once.”

“That’s probably all I need to know,” yawned John S. McCain. “I wonder if you’d like to be vice-president?” Then he met the kids. Well, the nearest kids. Trig, Track, Willow, Piper, maybe a couple of others. That’s how it works in this family. We stumble out of the maternity ward, and reach for a dictionary. “A great pleasure,” said John S. McCain, shaking them all by the hand. “And what do you call your dog?” “A footstool,” I said, and I gave it a little push. “Look. It’s on wheels.”

Wednesday

Today I address the Republican convention in Minneapolis. Am I nervous? Of course not. When I was campaigning to be Mayor of Wasilla, the whole town came to a public meeting in my own front garden. I couldn’t be nervous after that! Although we did nearly run out of paper napkins.

I’m going to talk about what I stand for. Freedom. Oil. Guns. Teenage pregnancy. How does Barack Obama have the nerve to pretend he speaks for America? The man is 47 and he doesn’t have a single grandchild. Talk about out of touch. Talk about aloof.

Thursday

John S. McCain calls me to check if there might be any other scandals breaking in the next few days that he ought to know about. “Just to be clear,” he says, darkly, “you aren’t keeping your daughter’s boyfriend tied to a chair at gunpoint, or anything?” “You old kidder!” I say, cheerfully. Then I hand the shotgun to Todd and tell him I better take this call upstairs.

Friday

You think I don’t know about foreign policy? Step outside my door, go 700 miles and I’m in Russia. President Valdomer Lenin is virtually my next-door neighbour. Here in Alaska, we sometimes have to go 700 miles just for groceries. And then, once we’ve shot our groceries, we have to go 700 miles back home. Understand this, America. This hockey mom is not inexperienced. This hockey mom is in charge of Alaska. Do you know how big Alaska is? It’s twice the size of Texas! Hell of a lot of people, too. Almost three quarters of a million people. And I’m not even related to half of them. Maybe more.


From The Times.


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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 9 Sep, 2008 12:25 pm
According to factcheck.org, Sarah Palin does NOT advocate, endorse, or want creationism taught in publiic schools...

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

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Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."


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On Aug. 29, the Boston Globe reported that Palin was open to teaching creationism in public schools. That's true. She supports teaching creationism alongside evolution, though she has not actively pursued such a policy as governor.

In an Oct. 25, 2006, debate, when asked about teaching alternatives to evolution, Palin replied:

Palin, Oct. 25, 2006: Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. And you know, I say this too as the daughter of a science teacher. Growing up with being so privileged and blessed to be given a lot of information on, on both sides of the subject " creationism and evolution. It's been a healthy foundation for me. But don't be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides.

A couple of days later, Palin amended that statement in an interview with the Anchorage Daily News, saying:

Palin, Oct. 2006: I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum.

After her election, Palin let the matter drop. The Associated Press reported Sept 3: "Palin's children attend public schools and Palin has made no push to have creationism taught in them. ... It reflects a hands-off attitude toward mixing government and religion by most Alaskans." The article was headlined, "Palin has not pushed creation science as governor." It was written by Dan Joling, who reports from Anchorage and has covered Alaska for 30 years.


So the claim that she wants it taught in public schools is bogus, as are many of the other charges leveled against her.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Tue 9 Sep, 2008 12:31 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:
According to factcheck.org, Sarah Palin does NOT advocate, endorse, or want creationism taught in publiic schools...


That's not true. Factcheck does not say that she doesn't endorse (she does) or want (she does) creation taught in school. It says she hasn't tried to push for it as governor.

Here is a quote from your own link showing that your statement is false.

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the Boston Globe reported that Palin was open to teaching creationism in public schools. That's true. She supports teaching creationism alongside evolution, though she has not actively pursued such a policy as governor.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 9 Sep, 2008 12:37 pm
@Gelisgesti,
The Mug-Shot saloon is NOT in downtown Wasilla.
It is on the W Parks Hwy, on the edge of town.

At least try and get your facts straight.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 9 Sep, 2008 12:47 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

The Mug-Shot saloon is NOT in downtown Wasilla.
It is on the W Parks Hwy, on the edge of town.

At least try and get your facts straight.

http://i37.tinypic.com/dbjjm1.jpg
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 03:28 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The pic could be doctored Walt. Easy too in this case.
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Sglass
 
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Reply Sat 13 Sep, 2008 04:28 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Is it near the county jail Walter?
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 13 Sep, 2008 03:08 pm
@mysteryman,
According to mapquest, the Mug-Shot saloon is 1 block off main street.

It's downtown.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 14 Sep, 2008 09:59 am
We all know about "Main Street" don't we; republicans sense of it is that it's not even in the city limits when they don't wish it to be, while the rest of the world population thinks is mid-town.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 14 Sep, 2008 05:08 pm
@cicerone imposter,
That never entered my head c.i. I feel quite sure, speaking on behalf of the rest of the world with what you will probably say is undue confidence, that I am not alone in that respect.
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midnightcowboy
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2009 06:38 am
@Robert Gentel,
Of course she does. It's new science to her. The rest will come in her 50's or never. Depends what cook books she reads doesn't it?
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