China Busted Using Underage Gymnasts

@eoe,

Off topic, but glad to see eoe back. Still worrying about a few.

@oralloy,

Shouldn't matter. Liukin's routine was clearly better and she should have had the gold, period. Somebody figured that one was close enough to steal. Kinda like demokkkrats if you think about it.....

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@Roberta,

What I read is that good curves produce a center of gravity less than ideal for gymnastics. I'm not sure I believe it. Shawn Johnson has the good curves but it's plain enough that whatever is just under the good curves is solid, and the two Americans finished one and two on the balance beam while the Asians fell off of it.

Another case of the good curves being solid:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r53/icebear46/Katie.jpg

That would be Katie Sandwina in her late teens or early twenties, somewhere around 1896, one of the strongest women ever to walk the Earth and one of the prettiest of her age; kind of a neat trick.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Come on, Wilso, the Chinese are not all liars and cheats, just like not all Aussies are - or any other group.

I'm referring to the officialdom, government etc.

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Internet Archive has an old copy of the document China scrubbed:

http://web.archive.org/web/20070630205138/http://www.sport.gov.cn/show_info.php?n_id=14342

Running it through an autotranslator you get:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20070630205138%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.sport.gov.cn%2Fshow_info.php%3Fn_id%3D14342&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=zh-CN&tl=en

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@Wilso,

Seems that also applies to the US government. Sadly.

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@gungasnake,

shawn johnson hardly had curves!

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@littlek,

Quote:

shawn johnson hardly had curves!

I disagree with that.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Maybe we need to define curves? I assume curves involve a bust-waist-hip difference. I agree that she has a very powerful body, incredibly muscular legs, butt, torso - but hips? Curves? I don't see it.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/03DP37Mg71807/340x.jpg

She has fewer curves than my 8 year old niece.

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@littlek,

Please look between her left arm
and left hip, in your picture.

From TV, I remember her having curves.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Like I said, 'hardly'. She's bending to the side.

I'm finding this conversation slightly creepy.

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@littlek,

Her whole body is tensed in that picture. She at least has MORE curves than any of the other gymnists I noticed and you see them when she relaxes. But they aren't soft curves...

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@gungasnake,

If she's not eligible to participate in the event - for whatever reason - she should have the medal taken away.

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@OmSigDAVID,

I'm with David on this one. Shawn Johnson has a more 'developed' appearance. The Chinese gymnast in question still appears to have the body of a child.

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@gungasnake,

Quote:

Her whole body is tensed in that picture.
She at least has MORE curves than any of the other gymnists I noticed
and you see them when she relaxes. But they aren't soft curves...

She has MORE facial beauty
than any of the athletes whom I have seen.

David

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@ehBeth,

Quote:

If she's not eligible to participate in the event - for whatever reason -
she should have the medal taken away.

In my opinion, that is unlikely, regardless of her age.
I believe that China will keep the gold; 2:1 odds.
Thay already gave her a fony passport.
I m sure that thay have plenty of blank birth certificate stationery.

David

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@gungasnake,

I'll say again, there appears to be a bigger story here than China using underage gymnists. The two top routines in uneven bars was not close; Liukin's routine was clearly better. Some body thought it was close enough to steal and it wasn't, unless you weren't watching. There is probably a case of one or more judges being bribed or something like that here.

Needed is an AI judging system for these events.

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@littlek,

Although I'm not sure your photo is current, littlek, and although Johnson is at an age where a year makes a big difference to a teenage girl's body, I'd have to agree with you. If Johnson looks reasonably grown up, it's mainly not because of her curves, but the shape of her face.

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/7877/shawnjohnsonkj9.jpg

Granted, her makeup and her hairdo help in this picture, but it wouldn't help most of the Chinese gymnasts enough to look like women, not girls.

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On a more general note, this subject brings up memories of the time just after the Berlin Wall fell, and when investigative journalists began to expose the East German sports machine. This machine was incredibly successful and incredibly callous in the way it treated East German athletes. One of its cruelties I remember being reported at the time was that they shot the gymnasts with hormones to prevent puberty.

I wonder if this practice still widespread. If that's how the Chinese gymnasts got their juvenile looks, the Chines government has screwed up their bodies for life, and counterfeiting passports is the least of my worries.

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@OmSigDAVID,

"OmSigDAVID" wrote:

ehBeth wrote:
If she's not eligible to participate in the event - for whatever reason -
she should have the medal taken away.

In my opinion, that is unlikely, regardless of her age.
I believe that China will keep the gold; 2:1 odds.
Thay already gave her a fony passport.
I m sure that thay have plenty of blank birth certificate stationery.

David

It isn't a question of whether China is corrupt and can produce fraudulent documents; it is a question of whether the International Gymnastics Federation is corrupt and will let them get away with it.

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