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Thumbing up and down: Abuse already?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2008 10:38 am
@Joeblow,
I get it....but there is a glitch with a2k. The thread should show when I look for new post whether I have the search on day, week, month, year, or all time and in the same place, however when I have it set to day it does not show, when I search the week it does. Craven is right that the thread has not been disappeared, and I am right that the new post function does not work right which is a big problem for those of us who will be relying on it because we want to mitigate the ill effects of majority rules voting system he has put in.
Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2008 11:05 am
@hawkeye10,
That's because it's older than a day but not older than a week yet. Rolling Eyes
Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2008 11:07 am
@hawkeye10,
No, you are not right about "new posts" not working, you are just confused and not letting that stop you.

The topic age filter filters by the topic's starting date, not the last post.

The topic is older than a day, that's why it doesn't show up in the "day" topic age filter. Get it?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2008 11:12 am
@Craven de Kere,
That makes some sense, though from what I know of other web functions using the time search this way seems odd. Usually the time part of the function would be non-op for new post searches, and would only be meaningful for the other parameters, such as most votes. In any case I can set it to all time and then do a new post search and get everything, which seems fine.

Edit: I should have paid more attention to the wording of the filter, I would then have not made the mistake. When I reach perfection I will be sure to let you know Craven.
roger
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2008 11:29 am
@Craven de Kere,
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The topic age filter filters by the topic's starting date, not the last post.


I've got to admit, that seems a little odd to me, too. It does affect the way I'm going to set my preferences.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2008 11:45 am
@hawkeye10,
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I should add that the ignore function is bad for discourse for much the same reason that the voting is.

How is whining good for discourse?

If you don't like the new site, you can always go create your own site and run it the way you want.

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using technology to allow members to get away with not learning to do things for themselves is a disservice to the membership.

This is pure BS. I can't learn to fly without technology, or travel faster than 10 mph, or communicate with someone beyond shouting distance, or (in my case) see beyond a couple of feet.

But technology gives me the tools to do this. And I like it.

Use the technology the way you want, and others will as well, and quit bitching that people have a choice not to listen to you.

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If people use ignore to ignore smart people

This made me laugh.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2008 11:50 am
@hawkeye10,
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from what I know of other web functions using the time search this way seems odd

1. So what?
2. Perhaps we should roll the whole state of the art back to 1995....
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2008 11:56 am
@DrewDad,
another one who gets screwed-up by assigning personal motivations to everything......at some point you might learn that not all of the world operates based upon the personal. I doubt it though.



DrewDad
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2008 12:02 pm
@hawkeye10,
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another one who gets screwed-up by assigning personal motivations to everything......at some point you might learn that not all of the world operates based upon the personal. I doubt it though.

Someday, you might learn that all motivations are personal. Kinda doubt it, though.
Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2008 12:07 pm
@hawkeye10,
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That makes some sense, though from what I know of other web functions using the time search this way seems odd.


Using it the way you thought it would work would make no sense at all, but you are used to "last post" being the center of your forum experience because forum software has been that way for almost decades now.

Sorting by "new posts" and using the "new posts" as the filter would mean that day, week, month, year etc are all the same except for the number of pages back it displays.

With the topic age being the filter you can actually get a different view with a lot more relevance. For example you could see articles posted within "news" in the last week, and sort by popularity to see what the members think are the most interesting news stories of the week. Then you change it to month and you get a bigger picture.

In any case, yes "all time" and "new posts" is what you should go for, as well as the no collapse preference when that bug is fixed.

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Edit: I should have paid more attention to the wording of the filter, I would then have not made the mistake. When I reach perfection I will be sure to let you know Craven.


This is rich. You spend yesterday telling people to question the "wisdom" of "the regime" when you find bugs (mistakes) on our part, and then start claiming bugs that don't exist and are mistakes on your part.

And when they are pointed out to you, you play the "I'm not perfect" cop out. Of course you aren't, but I wasn't holding you to "perfection". I am responding to you being a troll and trying to cast doubt on the honesty and integrity of the people who make the site when you find a simple bug.

So when you start claiming bugs that don't even exist after that, you can bet your trolling ass that you'll be corrected, and your plea of imperfection is ironic given the implications you made about our imperfection with the bugs.
Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2008 12:08 pm
@hawkeye10,
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another one who gets screwed-up by assigning personal motivations to everything......at some point you might learn that not all of the world operates based upon the personal. I doubt it though.


Dear lord, you were emoting all over the site, but like to portray others as over-emotional. You spent the last days playing forum martyr for crying out loud! Laughing
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2008 12:11 pm
@roger,
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I've got to admit, that seems a little odd to me, too. It does affect the way I'm going to set my preferences.


The standard web forum established in the 90's is all about "last post" and that's what many assume it to be. It wouldn't be very useful to you if the filter were (since you are likely sorting by last post anyway) and most forum members who want the same kind of view they had before should use "all time" and "new posts".
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roger
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2008 12:38 pm
@hawkeye10,
You're missing something here, hawkeye. Craven doesn't decide who the trolls are. We do. Note that we are all still here, and we sometimes get responses. I'm sure you follow the logic.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2008 12:40 pm
@hawkeye10,
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maybe it is time for a list of all of us members whom you have decided are trolls.


Maybe I have better things to do with my time.

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I will assume that your desire is to rid a2k of trolls, and if we could have an idea of your definition of troll we would know haw far you intend to go to limit speech and discourse so that you can have your wish.


You assume incorrectly as per usual to try to make the case that your speech is limited. I've made very clear what speech I want the site to restrict:

spam, porn and illegal content (not just about illegal activities, but content that is illegal for us to host)

Now you can keep pretending that I have my sights set on your content and try to portray yourself as a forum martyr but it's nonsense. The only thing keeping you from the "debate" you claim to want is the fact that you've decided to spend all your time here whining about how it's just not possible.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2008 12:43 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Be careful though, a Disney theme park is fine for a few days, but as the corporation discovered when they tried to get onto designing and owning planned communities very few people enjoy living in a Disneyfied world full time.


The things you are complaining about are not going to change on the fundamental level (bugs will be fixed etc but the voting isn't going away) so if you really feel that way it's odd that you are still around.

You claim that you are here for "intellectual" stimulation but claim that debate is no longer possible in this new "Disneyfied world". So why are you trying to argue your position? Isn't it simply impossible for you to do so? Wouldn't that represent an exercise in futility if you really believe the tripe you spout?
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2008 05:06 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye wrote-

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Re: Craven de Kere(Post 3362065)
That makes some sense, though from what I know of other web functions using the time search this way seems odd. Usually the time part of the function would be non-op for new post searches, and would only be meaningful for the other parameters, such as most votes. In any case I can set it to all time and then do a new post search and get everything, which seems fine.

Edit: I should have paid more attention to the wording of the filter, I would then have not made the mistake. When I reach perfection I will be sure to let you know Craven.


You have reached it mate. As a metaphor for meaninglessness you have rung the bell. You need Stanley Unwin to get past that. Or an Obama rallying cry.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2008 05:25 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote-

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If you don't like the new site, you can always go create your own site and run it the way you want.


Can he? That's like saying the poor can always choose their own medical care and housing and things.

There's "planning permissions" and stuff. In Stalin and Hitler's day dissidents were called trolls.

Did you not know? Goodness gracious me!! A Spiro Agnew type Republican.


spendius
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2008 05:30 pm
@Craven de Kere,
Craven wrote-

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Using it the way you thought it would work would make no sense at all, but you are used to "last post" being the center of your forum experience because forum software has been that way for almost decades now.


That is an admission of the revolutionary nature of all this.

Not that I'm against revolutions as a general principle I am sorry I feel the need to have to say.
 

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