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New A2K annoyances

 
 
Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2008 02:44 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
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Forcing the posters to click through to read the old post is clunky. We ought to have a 'quote user' button. The new scrolling removes the complaints of those who don't like long posts.


As I've said, we'll make it easier, but not the same.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2008 02:46 pm
@DrewDad,
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I know that you have a personal dislike of quotes and/or nested quotes, but quotes allow continuity in the conversation; we often have multiple conversations on a single thread.


I don't do things just because I like them. I actually think it's best and others like it as well (and you guys who don't like stuff should stop automatically assuming you speak for all against me, that would make my life easier but there are actually conflicting desires to serve).

In any case, I've already said we plan to make quoting easier. It's just not easy to do it the way we have planned (using some complicated javascript on the post page) and we haven't gotten to it yet.
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I know that designing a user interface is always a matter of compromise, but trying to force the users to use the site the way you want them to is going to be a mistake.


And it's unfair for you to pretend that the way you want to use it is the way everyone does and that I am the lone guy forcing my will on everyone. I"m trying to serve a lot of different preferences and I don't think I've nailed it yet.

That you don't like it doesn't equate to me forcing you to use the site my way. I've put a lot of work into making it flexible and will continue to.
Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2008 02:52 pm
@DrewDad,
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Then give me a threaded message view. 'Cause right now, I have one monolithic thread.


We have a bit of a hybrid going on. It needs more work but the threading of replies is something we are beginning to support. It's not easy (and a bunch of complaints center around us making this key change) but we'll try to make it a bit more threaded.

We prefer not to have completely different urls for user continuity (e.g. users linking for each other etc) but threading support is something we are going for.

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. Didn't Jespah just talk about titles that ya'll have added? One specific to Noddy, for example, and the RIP title for deceased members?


If you say so, but that doesn't mean we are going to have titles here. Ultimately what I said stands, we don't have titles or current plans to add them.
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You're turning into the sysadmin from hell, when you just keep doing things w/o regard to letting folks know.


I think you are a rude user from hell so I suppose we are even.
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It's all about what you want, eh?


Not at all, my point is that it's not all about what you want and there are different preferences.
old europe
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2008 02:53 pm
@Craven de Kere,
Craven de Kere wrote:
The redirection of these threads is planned (I think it may be halfway done already) but we intend to redirect the old urls to new urls in specific cases where we can (and topics are the priority).


Cool! It's not a necessary feature on the "chat" kinda threads, but in the (former) politics forum, it would be really disappointing to lose all those old cross references...
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old europe
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2008 02:56 pm
@Craven de Kere,
Craven de Kere wrote:
Exactly, that's the original spec but Nick did a quick and dirty solution for the mean time.


Nice! I see where you're going... more settings and things customized by the user, less general settings that apply for everyone.

Very Web 2.0...!
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2008 03:33 pm
@old europe,
I just want to be able to post in a thread without it having to be a reply to another person... Is the quote function still here?

Ack I'm lost!

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Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2008 03:35 pm
@Diest TKO,
"Answer to all", top left of the page.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2008 03:37 pm
@Diest TKO,
TKO if you use reply to all in the upper left, it does not address the previous poster...
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hamburgboy
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2008 03:37 pm
@Diest TKO,
diest wrote :

"Is the quote function still here? "

it must be , since others are using it ... but i'm still fumbling around .. perhaps quotation marks will have to do for now ... at least for me .
hbg
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old europe
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2008 03:38 pm
@Diest TKO,
Diest TKO" wrote:
I just want to be able to post in a thread without it having to be a reply to another person...


If you just want to post in a thread within replying to anyone in particular - there's a "Reply to All" button on the top left of the page. That does the trick!


Diest TKO" wrote:
Is the quote function still here?


Not the old one... but you can enable the old BBCode toolbar by clicking on "Enable BBCode Editor", right above the textfield when you're posting.

You'll have to copy and paste the text you want to quote manually, though...
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2008 03:38 pm
@Craven de Kere,
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you guys who don't like stuff should stop automatically assuming you speak for all against me, that would make my life easier but there are actually conflicting desires to serve

I definitely don't believe that I speak for anyone but myself. Others may agree, or they may not.

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I've already said we plan to make quoting easier

If you had, then I missed it.

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And it's unfair for you to pretend that the way you want to use it is the way everyone does...

I don't believe I said any such thing.

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...and that I am the lone guy forcing my will on everyone.

Hmm... Ultimately, you are a lone guy making decisions about the site. And if you didn't have strong opinions, and drive, you wouldn't have chosen to create the site. I've never met an entrepreneur with a weak will.

I'm saying, with particular emphasis on the quote function, which you've already stated you want to improve, that you might be trying to force the issue a little hard. m'kay?
JPB
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2008 03:38 pm
@Diest TKO,
and you can get to the top easily by hitting the "Top" button at the very top right of your screen.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2008 03:48 pm
@DrewDad,
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I'm saying, with particular emphasis on the quote function, which you've already stated you want to improve, that you might be trying to force the issue a little hard. m'kay?


By not having it ready for you already? Seriously, the quote feature I've had planned for months is not going to be easy and it's less than mission-critical. That's why it's not here at launch. I've explained elsewhere why, but the basics are that to get this out I had to spend a lot of personal money that I couldn't keep doing forever.

I spend over $500/week out of pocket on this site. This software is the product of the resources I had available, and while I'm committed to making a very personalizable experience each of those features take time and work, and that comes at a cost. I'd like to have had more of it ready but I simply don't have the personal cash on hand to pay for that much development, so it will come as we can make it and there's not much I can do about it.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2008 03:49 pm
@Craven de Kere,
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You're turning into the sysadmin from hell, when you just keep doing things w/o regard to letting folks know.

I think you are a rude user from hell so I suppose we are even.

Oooh. Snippy. Late night?

On the other hand, I definitely wouldn't want me for a user....

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my point is that it's not all about what you want and there are different preferences.

I don't think I've ever claimed that it's all about what I want. Nor do I think I've ever complained for the sake of complaining. Take the feedback, or don't.
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2008 03:54 pm
@old europe,
Thanks. Didn't see that button up top. And I usually used the code anyways, so I guess this is just as good.

Speaking of which the BBCode editor seems a little more Firefox friendly.

T
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Idea
Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2008 03:55 pm
@DrewDad,
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Oooh. Snippy. Late night?


Yeah, I was up till past 8am. But I don't think that's what frustrated me. I'm frustrated with what I see as rudeness as you portray my efforts as a dictatorial overruling over the community's desires.

So when you say that I'm a sysadmin from hell about this quotes thing, and say I'm forcing my will on the site and that ignores both the clear effort I am making to make this serve as many different desires as possible as well as the fact that not everyone agrees with you. Others hated the quoting and could say the same if it were returned. That I'm forcing my will on the site.

Ultimately, what I'm trying to do is make it possible to serve as many different use cases as possible. I'm not going to make everyone perfectly happy but that doesn't equate to me trying to force my personal use on the site.

Quite frankly there's a lot about it that I don't like. But that's the nature of compromise. There are a lot of different use cases here and some will be compromised for others.

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I don't think I've ever claimed that it's all about what I want.


No, but as soon as I expressed my own opinion you said I was acting like it was all about what I want. My point is that I was telling you my preferences because yours is not the only viewpoint, not because I think mine is all important.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2008 03:55 pm
@Craven de Kere,
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By not having it ready for you already? Seriously, the quote feature I've had planned for months is not going to be easy and it's less than mission-critical.

Er... wouldn't that have sufficed for an answer in the first place? Instead you gave Cyclo a five-step method for quoting. The implication, as I read it, was "like it or lump it."
Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2008 03:58 pm
@DrewDad,
I can't help how you project such things into my words DrewDad. I gave the steps to help people who want to use it in the mean time. I also posted that it would get easier.

I, for one, don't get why you should read "like it or lump it" into my efforts to explain how to get things done in the meantime.
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2008 04:04 pm
@Craven de Kere,
I'll sumarize my thoughts like this.

The site is like a completely new thing and change makes people uncomfortable. It's not bad to change things. I'm sure after some time, everyone will adjust.

A2K is a part of many of our routines, and this radical of a change is a change to our routine. If I drive a different way to work today, I might miss a turn or get frustrated with he traffic.

I'm going to be open minded, and just try to learn the new stuff. In the end the basic function of this message board is maintained: I have a place where I can post my ideas and put them in contrast with others. I think the concern I have along with many other users is not on the function, but instead how intuitive the path is to achieve that function.

It sure is cool looking though.

T
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2008 04:07 pm
@Craven de Kere,
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I don't think I've ever claimed that it's all about what I want.

No, but as soon as I expressed my own opinion you said I was acting like it was all about what I want. My point is that I was telling you my preferences because yours is not the only viewpoint, not because I think mine is all important.

Perhaps I took it the wrong way. The landlord and the tenant often have conflicting views of the relative power positions in their relationship, however.
 

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