You Can't Do This in France

Paradoxically, you say:

Francis wrote:

I do believe it's an inalienable civil right of mine NOT to be insulted, provoked or discriminated against, due to my color, origin, racial background, opinions and religion.

while supporting arresting a woman for her opinions. Does she not have this right that you claim for yourself?

it alleges an objective lie about your actions which injures you tangibly, or the speaker is harassing you, or directly exhorting others to commit violence against you.

It's your RIGHT to not be insulted?

French people are stupid.

Brandon9000 wrote:

Paradoxically, you say:

Francis wrote:

I do believe it's an inalienable civil right of mine NOT to be insulted, provoked or discriminated against, due to my color, origin, racial background, opinions and religion.

while supporting arresting a woman for her opinions. Does she not have this right that you claim for yourself?

I'm not sure about how your French is, Brandon, so I don't quote neither the (already generally named) laws nor the ruling.

But: Bardot had five times within 11 years "insulted, provoked or discriminated others, due to their color, origin, racial background, religion ...".
Five times. Not for her opinion but for breaking laws.

Why does she have the right to break laws?

What could be more provincial than: "You might have fought and died for France, but you don't look like us, so get the hell out?"

Equus wrote:

Isn't this the same country that forbade Muslim females from wearing headshawls?

No. You must have mixed up something. (Teachers and pupils aren't allowed to to wear headshawls - like any other persons aren't allowed to wear any religious stuff in schools as well: seperation of state and church, you know.

She has the right to break the law because the government possesses no right to forbid people to state their opinions. All such laws ought to be ignored by anyone brave enough to fight oppression.

My sole point here is that no government has the right to forbid a citizen to state an opinion.

Brandon9000 wrote:

She has the right to break the law because the government possesses no right to forbid people to state their opinions. All such laws ought to be ignored by anyone brave enough to fight oppression.

That's an interesting opinion, since according to the French constitutional court ("(Conseil constitutionnel") these laws are according to the constitution (similar rulings by the "European Court of Human Rights" [ECHR]).

Brandon9000 wrote:

My sole point here is that no government has the right to forbid a citizen to state an opinion.

As said: this is not forbidding an opinion but harming the constitutional rights of others, in a criminal way.

Acting may harm the rights of others, but stating an opinion does not. All beings have a right to say what they think. Europe is unfortunately moving towards totalitarianism, if your governments can forcibly tell you what opinions you may or may not have.

Brandon9000 wrote:

Acting may harm the rights of others, but stating an opinion does not. All beings have a right to say what they think. Europe is unfortunately moving towards totalitarianism, if your governments can forcibly tell you what opinions you may or may not have.

You know, Brandon, this is clearly not debate.

You are expressing your opinions and are not even listening to what others have to say.

You are passing judgements according to your standards.

Reality in Europe is a bit more complexe than your attempts to make people believe it is the way you describe such reality.

Governments very seldom pass laws (we have parliaments).

Governments propose laws to the parliament, then a vote takes place.

Laws usually reflect the state of mind of a society.

As such, there's a common consensus that expressing heinous concepts should be prohibited.

So, laws have been passed to outlaw such publicizing of hatred discourse.

We have seen that uttering this kind of opinions lead often to some clueless youths profanating and wrecking tombs of Jews and Arabs...

I do believe it's an inalienable civil right of mine NOT to be insulted, provoked or discriminated against, due to my color, origin, racial background, opinions and religion.

This thread is about Cjhsa's irrational hatred of France and the French and all things French, and has never been about anything else. I haven't seen him start a thread about hate speech laws and holocaust denial laws in Germany (and if he does subsequent to this remark, i won't be either surprised or impressed). I'm not surprised, either, to see Brandon ranting here. Conservatives have come to a point where they love to hate France and the French more than any other nation or people. They seem conveniently to forget that France participated in the 1990-91 Gulf War, and immediately responded to the call for NATO troops when the target was Afghanistan. This is all about sour grapes because the French would not go along with the criminal invasion of Iraq . . . period.

Brandon9000 wrote:

it alleges an objective lie about your actions which injures you tangibly, or the speaker is harassing you, or directly exhorting others to commit violence against you.