If Jesus......

...or perhaps he'd be shot for partisan in Northern Ireland?

nope we would be too drunk to notice him, and anyway theres a peace process, so no more shooting, we would probably stone him to death, like in the good old days

^5 ..for the light-hearted humor

The Bible tells you what WILL happen when Jesus comes again. No need to speculate. :wink:

Yes it does, thats right, how did i miss that over these years, i feel enlightened, must go protest against something now as the power of the lord has just filled me with ignorant, self centered, gibberish and the ability to make a sentence sound any way i want it too. Oh! Sorry did abit of sarcasm sneaked in there.. me bad

You can't believe what crap is around, can you?

Geesh! No need to become snippy is there? You have your beliefs and I have mind. It's called life and freedom of speech, etc.

Do you? Really?

You'll get lots of snippy comments when you come on A2K and attempt to evangelize. Some people don't buy into religion. Do you recognize there are Muslims, Jews, non-Christians...atheists and agnostics amongst other thinking caring people? Don't stick your beliefs in our faces and wonder why you get snippy comments back.

I do believe it was you who presented the bible as "FACT", if its so factual then plz present this to us, and why do christians all drivel on about "freedom of speech" when there is in fact no such thing, you may only speak when the government finds your thoughts unoffensive... which i may add would be quite alot if you happen to be from a middle-east country, why not use your freedom of speach to help your fellow book worshipper find their feet.

Oh I see. I should not come to a Spirituality and Religion forum and expect to say what I believe and why? Seems to me, if someone has a problem with others talking about God, perhaps they should re-evalute the reason they visit this particular forum?

I don't see any reason why we can't discuss religion and spirituality without getting snippy at each other. We are, afterall, all adults.

I made one simple comment about the Bible says what will happen when Jesus comes back and yes, the Bible tells that, whether you believe what it says or not, or can understand it fully or not, it does state what is going to happen.

One simple statement and then I'm shoving this in your face and evangelizing? C'mon! It's merely a discussion! I even used the :wink: !

What was snippy, the rolling eyeballs? You call that snippy? You're pretty sensitive.

Or was it Francis' comment about crap? Well, to those of us who don't believe in the Bible etc, it IS crap.

Mame..exactly right. Right on.

and..it's crap that has caused more wars and human strife than any other thing in man's history.

It may be crap to you but it is not to me. I have enough respect for you as a human being to not make derogatory remarks to you. I was brought up to respect others and treat them with respect whether I felt they deserved it or not.

I never made derogatory remarks about you or attacked you. What I did do was disagree with your beliefs and express my opinion about religion. Try to go back, open your mind and read what I wrote - not what you think I wrote. You seem rather sensitive, especially for someone who wants to debate religion and philosophy.

Once more..I'll say it again. Religion is crap and its killed more people than plagues or disease ever did!

Ragman,

Calling my beliefs crap is, at least to me, a derogatory remark. Religion doesn't kill. People kill in the name of religion, which is wrong. Just as you cannot blame every single German for what Hitler did you cannot blame every single believer for what others have done or do in the name of God.

I know many atrocities have been committed in the name of God, under the guise of many different religions. And I honestly cannot blame people for some of the views they may hold because of these things, but those views need to be held to the person that comitted them and not religion as a whole. I think it's important, that when dealing with a person in a discussion, you deal with that person and their behavior, and not what others have done and your views because of that. Lots of atheists have committed atrocities also but I cannot go around and say all atheists are the same, etc., because that is not right.

Jesus didn't tell us to go around killing people in his name. He told us to love one another. Unfortunately, human beings stretch, often to extreme limits, what was originally taught.

You don't know what else you can make up to back your beliefs.

As such, your beliefs are crap.

Religion DOES kill.

You cited the bible, in which you believe.

Can't you see it's full of revengeful comments, full of hatred?

All your crap above is intended to evangilize..

I beleive in the fact that humans for the rest of our existance will continue to fill their heads with thoughts and beleifs of floating, imaginary utopian societies up in the sky, where in stead of being physically burried in the ground when the die rise into the heavens with billions of other people from the past where time, physics, Math, reason, mass, weight, evolution, gravity and every other thing our entire lives are built around and the way we govern our societies and life as we know it is thrown out the window. Tons and tons of different groups of people will continue to beleive in this bed time story fairy tale land and will argue with not a singal bit of real factual evidence, and will point facts simply by stating an exact question on how can you prove,"that" guy didnt see a bright light and the gates when he passed out, or was dead for 2 min and brought back to life. Thats there defense, thats there faith, thats there facts. Dont even let it get to you man. We all know there are too many wacked out mentally ill people in this world who will just make up pretty much any story and stick to it with there life, and there are always tons of weak minded individuals who cant deal with the realness of life and how things really are that will follow suit and argue against your factual information with statements made by a half mental handicap that simply wants some attention. The fact is that more people have been killed, or died in wars, and more money has been lost and made throught fear driven religous beleifs than any other thing in the history of our existance. It is truly the downfall of our existance.


I rest my case