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Clack WS1 Water Softener Setup?

 
 
edells
 
Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2008 02:49 pm
I am doing a DIY install of a Clack WS1 water softener and am confused by the terminology in one of the meter setup questions. It is asking me to 'enter the ion exchange capacity in grains of hardness as calcium carbonate'. What is this and how does one figure what to enter? The default is 24 x1000.

Also, the next question is to 'enter the pounds of salt per regeneration'. How do you figure that?

Thanks in advance.

Ed E.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2008 09:10 pm
Ed, a few questions:

Will the company/person than sold you the Clak help you out?
Did you pay less than $700 to have it drop shipped to your door?
Did each component come with it's own set of instructions and warranty card?
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Andy CWS
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2008 03:17 pm
edells,

I am glad things worked out for you. I was waiting to hear fom the Clacky guy but as you see....

Anyway, it is a good valve and you will have years of good service with it. Continue to get support from those that are willing to help more than hurt.

It goes to show that there are good internet dealers out there if you look long enough. The same can be said of local dealers.

Andy Christensen, CWS-II
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justalurker
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2008 07:29 pm
Re: Clack WS1 Water Softener Setup?
edells wrote:
It is asking me to 'enter the ion exchange capacity in grains of hardness as calcium carbonate'. What is this and how does one figure what to enter? The default is 24 x1000.

Also, the next question is to 'enter the pounds of salt per regeneration'. How do you figure that?


The exchange capacity in grains depends on the amount of salt used to regenerate the specific volume of resin.

A 32k softener has 1 cubic foot of resin.

With 1 cu ft of resin... (the following numbers are not absolute but generally work)

regen salt @ 6 lbs = 21,000 grains or 21x1000 in your programming
regen salt @ 9 lbs = 26,000 grains or 26x1000 in your programming
regen salt @ 11 lbs = 29,000 grains or 29x1000 in your programming
regen salt @ 15 lbs = 31,000 grains or 31x1000 in your programming

So, if your calculations call for line #2 you enter exchange capacity in grains 26(x1000) and regeneration salt 9 (lbs) in the two setting you questioned.

If your calculations call for line #4 you enter exchange capacity in grains 31(x1000) and regeneration salt 15 (lbs) in the two setting you questioned.

At different salt doses the salt efficiency changes so you divide the grains of exchange capacity by the pounds of regeneration salt to figure that.

Salt efficiency of line...
#1 = 3500 grains of hardness removed / pound of salt
#2 = 2888 grains of hardness removed / pound of salt
#3 = 2636 grains of hardness removed / pound of salt
#4 = 2066 grains of hardness removed / pound of salt

The most efficient use of salt gives the lowest exchange capacity for that 1 cubic foot of resin.
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Gary Slusser
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2008 10:45 am
Edells, I see they deleted my initial reply and your follow up post... when I saw your reply last night around 12:00, it was too late for me to reply but... in response, sorry, I was very busy having a record January.

Anyway, careful of using the salt dose and capacity data that has been posted above, it's a bit inaccurate.

I was glad to hear that the folks you bought from finally helped you, what have they told you to program it to?
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justalurker
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2008 11:31 am
Gary Slusser wrote:
Anyway, careful of using the salt dose and capacity data that has been posted above, it's a bit inaccurate.


As clearly stated in my post... "the following numbers are not absolute but generally work". I hope the information was of some assistance to the original poster.

The salt dose and capacity data that Gary Slusser claims is "a bit inaccurate" came from a chart provided to me by the same Gary Slusser so that data should be taken with a dose of salt. :wink:
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Gary Slusser
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2008 09:31 pm
Edells, nope, I've never used those figures, they are wrong. Justalurker has said here that what I told him to program his Clack WS-1 too was wrong and he got data to tweak it to from someone else. He has never said exactly who.
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justalurker
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2008 09:50 pm
Gary Slusser wrote:
Edells, nope, I've never used those figures, they are wrong.


Wrong? Here's the chart you emailed to me on 7/19/04 and told me to use...

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/12cb42e6fe.jpg

Remember it now?
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Gary Slusser
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2008 10:52 pm
Like I said, I've never used those figures. And you have said you didn't use the programming I sent you. So why are you giving them to someone else?
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justalurker
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2008 11:23 pm
Gary Slusser wrote:
So why are you giving them to someone else?


Those numbers are conservative in nature as the specific resin is not referenced. There is no reason not to use them as an example.

I was interested in helping the OP, but you were only interested in chastising him for not buying his softener from you and didn't offer any substantive help.
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Gary Slusser
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 12:37 pm
You're correct, you don't know the type of resin used in the chart or in Edells' softener, and yet you give him those figures anyway, and without disclosure saying they "generally work". That isn't helpful IMO, it's wrong.

You say I didn't help him. I don't know the type of resin in his softener so I tell him the only thing that will help him; that is to go back to the people he bought it from.

Those figures you gave him are not conservative; they are actually quite liberal.

If we assume regular mesh resin in his softener, the figures on the chart may be for regular mesh resin with higher kinetics than his. That's because they are high, or liberal.

You should note the water temp on the chart. You don't know where Edells lives yet you give him the figures without knowing what DLFC he has or mentioning any temp compensation etc.. He has no idea how to do that himself (and neither do you).

IMO, I've just helped him again and others that will read this in the future.
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justalurker
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 01:03 pm
Those figures were more help to the poster than your ripping him for not buying a softener from you.

Gary Slusser wrote:
IMO, I've just helped him again


You helped Ed right off this forum and that is a shame.
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Gary Slusser
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2008 11:19 am
He can't get help more here until he contacts the place he bought it from.

Then he may not need any help unless the place is one you suggest with incomplete instructions and he can post his questions.
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JasonJ
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2008 12:48 am
Water Softener
Too bad Sussler and Lurker spent all that energy seeing who was smarter when it comes to water softeners! What an absolute joke!!!!!!!!!
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