What IF the "war" is really a trick--a RUSE?

Besides, whatever it is, it's much too large, bright and prominently WHITE, to be Mars.

Mars is not white; it is red or orange.

At the size of this puppy, if it were Mars one would be able to see the polar ice caps and brown mountains, with just the naked eye. Am I wrong?

Go back and look at the Mt. Wilson photos again. The white dot is huge--big as the moon would be if the moon were full [which--remember--it is NOT.]

What IF the "war" is really a trick--a RUSE?

So, what if it is. So what. Happens all the time. It's a bad thing.

So what if the planets aren't what they seem? What is it you are trying to tell us.

Are you trying to warn us about something. What is it?

That's beautiful, isn't it?

Beautiful

I see trees of green, red roses too
I see them bloom for me and you
And I think to myself what a wonderful world.

I see skies of blue and clouds of white
The bright blessed day, the dark sacred night
And I think to myself what a wonderful world.

The colors of the rainbow so pretty in the sky
Are also on the faces of people going by
I see friends shaking hands saying how do you do
They're really saying I love you.

I hear babies crying, I watch them grow
They'll learn much more than I'll never know
And I think to myself what a wonderful world
Yes I think to myself what a wonderful world.

How odd, that you simply haven't read what I have written. Okay, I will summarize AGAIN.

There is a rather large intruder within shouting distance of our sun; scientists are babbling and quibbling and not being clear about what it is.

It is not Mars; it is not the Moon; it is not Jupiter, nor Mercury. Apparently, it is having some effects such as inclement weather, lots of volcanos waking up, and terrible heat waves, this summer.

Its effect on our planetary ecology could be considerable. But that effect could be ameliorated if people would stop pretending it isn't there.

The pretenses and excuses are making me choke.

: )

If that's true, what do you suppose we do about it?

chaiyah:

Is that you in your avatar?

(If the thing in the sky means we're all over, I'm going to spend the last days spreading some joy.)

If that is the case, than it might be best if you didn't start, or pursue, these discussions with people who try to clarify things with/for you here. I don't think anyone wants to make you choke.

Chaiyah, I don't think you can look at those images and make any scientific decisions, really any decisions at all, based on them. With the thousands of people, amateurs and governmental scientists alike, who have ALL been watching the night sky because of the close Mars perihelion, they just wouldn't all be in on this conspiracy of silence.

I check an astronomical website almost every day:space.com and I haven't seen anything about scientists babbling or quibbling, or pretending or giving excuses for anything. Can you point to a journal or website where scientists are doing that?

My understanding is the wobble of the earth, which has gone along for a long time, is mostly caused by the oceans. The caldera recorder is running fine and the hot summer is more likely due to sun spots than planet x. I can't think of a scientific reason that any other planet would affect our weather. Sun activity might affect it, our own pollution might affect it but how would a planet do so? What would be the mechanism?

It seems like you're getting upset without any real basis. Certainly those photographs are not enough... if photographic evidence were enough, then everyone would believe in the Loch Ness Monster.

It's interesting finding info on the web! Tracking down this research is kinda fun ...

The photos are taken by a webcam above Mt. Wilson Observatory, in the San Gabriel Mountains just outside Pasadena, CA.
From the sunrise, we can tell the camera is pointed roughly southwest.

Just to orient you, mapquest has a good roadmap of how it's laid out (link here).




It also has a satellite photo of exactly the same region, available (link here).



From their own website at http://www.mtwilson.edu/General/ the coordinates of the observatory are
Longitude: 118 degrees, 03.6 minutes West
Latitude: 34 degrees, 13.0 minutes North
Elevation: 1742 meters

Putting these coordinates into
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneDay.html we get:


So at 4:44am in the photo, the moon would be 2 hours, 16 minutes after rising, and still 3:59 hours before it's highest point.
(That's means about one third of it's way up off the southeast horizon).

16% of the moon would be illuminated.



Exactly three months (moonths?) later the image appears again, near the same location and time!!
On this day, at 5:04am the moon would again be one third of it's way up from the horizon, but only 4% illuminated -- a bit smaller and closer to the sun.


From the sunrise in the photos, we can tell the camera is pointed roughly southwest, but we have no idea how many degrees width it covers. We would have to get the model of the webcam (over 90% of them are sold by X10.com) or we'd have to identify some of the stars in the photos to measure the angles in the photos.

When the moon is full it is opposite from the sun, directly west as the sun rises in the east (and therefore outside the view of this webcam).

With only a small percentage of the moon illuminated, it would naturally be very close to the sun.

According to this data, on these dates and times we would expect to see the moon
1) just before the sunrise,
2) very close to the sun,
3) directly in view of this webcam,
4) about one third of it's way up off the horizon.

Has the large white orb been seen once every month on this webcam?
That might be good further investigation.

I'm not concluding anything, just presenting some information for us to consider. We should be aware of where the moon is.

<still trying to relate the dialog to the title>

According to this same $79 webcam at Mt Wilson Observatory, the sun seems to be shrinking rapidly.

Here the sun is very large, with an oval shape to it:


And here the sun is much smaller, but with long points shooting out of it:

That's according to the camera anyways, and your own eyes.
If you care to believe the evidence with your own eyes, staring you right in the face.



I just think it's interesting to know how this camera behaves with small but bright objects. To the naked eye, the sun and the moon are very close to the same size, yet here the sun is shown huge!

At night, when the whole frame is mostly pure black, I bet the digital camera takes a much longer exposure. The moon is by far the brightest object in the sky at night, regardless how much of it is lit. So it would be the very first object to become overexposed and blurred into a larger cloud. Not as hugely as the sun, but more than a house light, star or planet.

Also, it looks like the sun has a lens flare, slightly below and to the right of it, possibly just like the moon could have with this camera here.

Just looking for details... there's always more to consider.
What else do you notice about the photos?

Hi CodeBorg, I see that you're following the same trail of research that I did. I suppose it does bear repeating, but much of this was covered in my first posts.

Also, there is one critical photo which shows the moon lens flare in front of a cloud (see previous post), which conclusively demonstrates (as much as any photo can demonstrate anything), that the white blob is actually an overexposed crescent moon.

There is absolutely nothing unusual in any of the pictures referenced so far, not the Mt. Wilson pics, nor the LASCO images.

Hi Roger, the title is related to the dialog only by virtue of the fact that the images were submitted as "evidence" to support the theory that "the war is a distraction to keep people from seeing the real danger", namely, all the celestial drama (which we've yet to be shown even a tiny shred of evidence for).

Best Regards,

blah blah blah ...
but no one has yet touched the topic of dis-information strategies.

Wow. "Let's PRETEND" is a national disease. [shrug]

Hi Chai,

Disinformation strategy is a broad topic. Did you have something specific you wanted to touch on?

Why do you say "let's pretend" is a national disease, when those in this thread continue to discuss your ideas with honest and detailed research and analysis?

In each and every case, we have done our due dilligence and given thougtful and well researched analysis (complete with examples and sources) of all the evidence you have presented. But you have not given any open minded consideration to the information we have presented, only denied it's validity based on assumptions previously demonstrated as invalid; not a very good way to get people to see your point.

CodeBorg asked you before, "what do you consider a valid source of information?" It's an interesting question, because you clearly don't value analysis and understanding as a measurement of reality. So how *do* you measure reality? Do you trust particular sources, or do you just pick and choose those items you like?

Just curious.

Take care,

Pretenses get propagated, is my truth. WITNESS THIS CHARADE-
rosborne, your posting contains at least half a dozen rhetorical questions. Apparently, you have some difficulty finding a topic sentence.

I have been very specific and very direct.

My source has been the Mt. Wilson Observatory; and my contention is that the data which has been presented *there* is not being disseminated by the press for unknown reasons.

When I referred you to a graphic that shows precisely what planetary alignment exists as of the new moon--http://www.abidemiracles.com/3334.htm

you ignore that.

Where is Mars? Quote--The Roman God of War is easy to spot. It is the unmistakable beacon of the evening sky, in the southeast. It is high in the south around midnight and low in the southwest near dawn--Unquote
http://www.space.com/spacewatch/where_is_mars.html

I suppose you will ignore that too.

As things stand now, my data that the white orb in view in the Mt. Wilson Observatory cam-shot IS EXTRAORDINARY--STANDS. There is nothing you have said that dismisses its validity out of hand.

It was repeated first on May26th and then again on August 25th, both during New Moon phases.

I am satisfied that the data is true. And further, I am satisfied that there are people who, for whatever reason, are determined to propagate LIES AND DISINFORMATION.

If you have proven anything to me at all, that is what you have proven.
Lies, tricks, deceptions and secrets PREVAIL at this time.

God help us.

Hi Chai,

The new moon occured on 27 August 2003 at 10:26 a.m. Pacific Daylight Time. Not August 25'th. (source:
US Naval Observatory)

On August 25'th, at the time of the photo's, the moon was a 5% waning crescent. It is not a complete new moon.

The reason the crescent appears as a blob is that it is overexposed. And a 5% crescent is easily sufficient to overexpose a night photo like that.

Also, all of this is demonstrated by the crescent lens flare which is in front of the cloud in the May photo's.

Mars and Jupiter and Venus have nothing to do with the Mt. Wilson photo's (only the LASCO photo's you referenced).

I'm sorry if it's frustrating for you to recognize this, but I'm just trying to explain what the photo's are showing you.

Take care,

oh my!
If you can't tell the difference between a 5% crescent and a full circular, lit orb in the sky,

you have more cognitive problems than I can deal with. Sorry.

If you want to believe a circular orb shows up out of nowhere for fourteen photos at a time, again, I can't help you.

I don't know what your intention actually >IS<, but dealing with reality and Truth is clearly not part of it.

All your excuses and ramifications are just excuses and ramifications.

Whatever happens is what will happen. But the fact that people are as in DEEP DENIAL AS YOU ARE IN, means nothing will be done to salvage anything or anyone.

That is truly a pity and a shame. We are truly merely objects in the path of whatever it is we are denying existence to.

Good luck, Bozo!

Chaiyah, If you are right in your assumptions then there is nothing we can do about it anyways.

My personal philosophy has been that it is more productive to worry about something which one can have some influence over.

If the aliens come they come. If the sun has sent out an object that will destroy the Earth why worry. We won't be able to collect our social security anyways.

But frankly IMO Rosborne has it about right. Just another optical illusion, aided and abetted by a web cam.

I am still counting on your buying me that coffee about Oct 15.

Best, M