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What IF the "war" is really a trick--a RUSE?

 
 
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 26 Aug, 2003 08:00 pm
chaiyah - as rosborne has already attempted to point out to you, over-exposure does not require the sun.

rosborne979 wrote:


Notice how the sun is over exposed, but the lens flare shows the partial eclipse. The same thing occurs in night pictures with bright objects like the moon.


As you can see, it's common for overexposed crescents to show up as white blobs, just like in your photo's. Not only that, but it's a known effect of cameras, which is quite predictable with certain exposure and luminosity conditions.

Best Regards,
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fealola
 
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Reply Tue 26 Aug, 2003 08:02 pm
Well, gee, those are pretty pictures taken by my neighbors at Mt. Wilson..... but see what for myself?


And what about the war?

Oh, and one of those lights --- that's my house. Laughing Rolling Eyes
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 26 Aug, 2003 08:14 pm
Fealola,

Based on past interactions... Chai thinks that the images in the link show an unknown object in our solar system.

Chai has a colorful history on abuzz: http://boston.abuzz.com/member/u.448272/total_interactions which is pretty self explanatory.

But to summarize: Chai also thinks that there is a massive government (she frequently calls it "coverment") conspiracy to cover up this information and to use the coverup to allow the super-elite a chance to hide themselves underground where they will be safe from whatever calamity awaits the rest of us.

The premise of, and reference to, war in the original post, is a hypothesis that the [Iraq] war is merely a mechanism to divert attention away from the true dangers in the world (rogue celestial activity).

Chai, I believe that should convince you that I understand your basic premise here. Even though I think it's crazy (just my opinion, of course). Smile

The only reason I focused on the photo's is because there are the only thing you offer which is measurable in a empiracle sense.

Have fun everyone Smile
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fealola
 
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Reply Tue 26 Aug, 2003 08:20 pm
Oh yeah! Hale Bopp, et al.

Hey! Only three more hours to Coast to Coast Am. Bedtime stories!
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akaMechsmith
 
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Reply Tue 26 Aug, 2003 09:16 pm
Chaiyah,
For now I go with Rosborne. I think he is correct in his assumptions.

But a further note. IMO you are worrying youself unecessarily. No government, especially one as large as the one we are saddled with, could keep that much of a secret. First that would imply an intelligence far superior to any that any of our elected officials have ever shown
Some examples being----
Nixons Plumbers, Carters desert rescue operation, Reagans "Trees cause Pollution", Clintons fellatio experience, Congressman Mills skinny dipping with the Ray girl in the Tidal Basin, Harts entering a motel with a woman not his wife,. Kennedy photographed entering a hotel with two hookers. Another Kennedy driving off a bridge and not reporting or attempting to rescue Mary Jo for many hours
These are not the actions of a class of people whom I would term brilliant enough to pull off concealing a cosmic invasion. They probably would be dumb enough to try it though.
This is why we attempt to have a government of the people.

Second, If Aliens could be shown to be invading it would benefit the elected officials more than almost any other scenario that could be envisioned. People usually turn to government for help (however unadvisedly) when something big happens. The little War in the Falkland Islands ensured Margaret Thatchers future for years. Bush probably has that in mind wiith the Iraq problem. But there are other more reasonable reasons to interfere in Iraq.

Third, All governments consider themselves indespensible. The President, Quite a few military commanders, and some civilians all have safe places to run to. They consider themselves necessary to conduct a war on our behalf, even Patriotic. There are also flying command posts for several general officers where they could stay airborn for days if necessary. Frankly I regard this as prudent.

I think you are going to owe me a coffee about the middle of October Smile
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chaiyah
 
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Reply Wed 27 Aug, 2003 06:14 am
No.
No, it's not the moon on Aug 25th and it wasn't the moon on May 26th.

Moon in wrong phase. No full moon those dates.

You're pulling me leg.

What does this have to do with distractions, propaganda and war?

Silence is a tool. Follow the noise, and you get distractions.

Trace issues about which the USCoverment is silent, and you find out what's going on.

Your responses to me on this thread have been simply frustrating and infuriating. I hope there was some reason for this.

: )
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 27 Aug, 2003 09:39 am
rosborne979 wrote:
But to summarize: Chai also thinks that there is a massive government (she frequently calls it "coverment") conspiracy to cover up this information and to use the coverup to allow the super-elite a chance to hide themselves underground where they will be safe from whatever calamity awaits the rest of us.


I, for one, will welcome our new alien overlords!
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chaiyah
 
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Reply Wed 27 Aug, 2003 09:56 am
...... and on the ground .......
What Makes SENSE--is to believe the photos, at face value.

THIS--1)

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/realtime-c3.html

IS THIS--2)

http://www.abidemiracles.com/9089052.htm ,

and the big white dot in 1) is the big white dot in 2)

Everybody with me on this one?

Mars causes Earth to ~WOBBLE~ so things aren't where and when they're supposed to show up, sometimes in some places. That makes sense too, of all the people who are complaining about late sunrises and can't find the moon.

But, what concerns me--and I'd like to see some verification on this--is the periodic discharge of the Yellowstone caldera--like popping a pimple. People near there need to be moved out, for their own safety.

http://www.seis.utah.edu/helicorder/heli/yellowstone/Uuss.YMS_EHZ_WY.2003082700.gif

stopped recording about half an hour ago; it's offline.

Too bad, our scientists have given up informing us about what is true and what is going on, seismically and astronomically, out of fear for their jobs.

Shocked
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 27 Aug, 2003 06:29 pm
Re: ...... and on the ground .......
chaiyah wrote:
What Makes SENSE--is to believe the photos, at face value.

THIS--1)

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/realtime-c3.html



The Images in the link above are from LASCO

The bright objects with the horizontal lines (pixel bleeds on the CCD camera) are planets.

The one on the left is Venus. The one on the right is Jupiter along with the star Regulus, which is almost right behind it. I've confirmed the planetary locations for the date and time of the images with standard charts, and everything is where it's supposed to be. Also, the MPG movies available on the LASCO web site show the orbits of those planets clearly. Very nice confirmation of what they are.

Information on Pixel bleeds in the LASCO CCD camera can be found HERE

The Yellowstone caldera is another matter entirely. Yellowstone has erupted in the past, and it'll probably do so again. However, the chances that it will do it in our lifetimes is very slim. And the seismic activity being reported currently from that area is common. The whole Yellowstone formation is unstable, which is exactly why there is so much geologic activiity (gysers and fumerols and such...).

Have Fun Smile
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chaiyah
 
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Reply Wed 27 Aug, 2003 07:23 pm
Is NASA deliberately falsifying their data?
Why is LASKO an unreliable source of data, in your considered opinion.

I take two validated-source pictures and place them side-by-side, and you have a problem with this?

Are you utterly UNABLE to believe your own eyes? Is there absolutely no photographic "proofs" that you will accept?

Wow. There's no way to proceed.
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CodeBorg
 
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Reply Wed 27 Aug, 2003 07:44 pm
Chaiyah, given that the large white orb in the photos is in the moon's position at that date and time, what is your opinion about it?

1) Do you think the orb was in front of the moon, or behind the moon?
Should we use more short-range or long-range instruments to get more data?

2) The more information we can find, the better! Where else could we look for sighting, measurements, or more photos?

3) Who could we call that might have good information and educated opinion about what this object is? Is there anyone you trust and respect that much? What would someone have to do to earn that trust?
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fealola
 
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Reply Wed 27 Aug, 2003 07:46 pm
CodeBorg wrote:
What would someone have to do to earn that trust?
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chaiyah
 
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Reply Wed 27 Aug, 2003 07:50 pm
Debunker gone berserk here.

I give up. You discount everything as if the planets wore neon signs stating their name, rank and serial number--which they don't.

I do not believe a word you say because you discount me totally and unequivocally as if you know everything and I am incapable of even looking at a picture and interpreting or seeing what it could be.

So, be a smart ass and you prove nothing--not to me, anyway.
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fealola
 
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Reply Wed 27 Aug, 2003 07:51 pm
fealola wrote:
CodeBorg wrote:
What would someone have to do to earn that trust?
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chaiyah
 
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Reply Wed 27 Aug, 2003 07:53 pm
Code Berg, my calendar says, on August 26th is the NEW MOON.

Do you know what a New Moon looks like? Yeah, it's BLACK.

And about three days after the May 26th photos at Mt. Wilson was ANOTHER NEW MOON--another black moon--not a FULL MOON. It's NOT the Moon.

Can you GET that?
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chaiyah
 
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Reply Wed 27 Aug, 2003 07:56 pm
To earn trust, you have to make some sense.

Up til now, that hasn't happened. What has been "in my face" are simple contradictions and opinions. That's not proof, so there's nothing to trust.

: ) chai
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 27 Aug, 2003 08:07 pm
Could it be....Mars? Razz
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CodeBorg
 
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Reply Wed 27 Aug, 2003 08:14 pm
So there is no one you trust, in the whole world, to give you a scientific opinion on these photos?

Nobody at MIT or Harvard, CalTech or NASA?

There is not one person on the whole planet who makes sense to you? I'm searching for some hint of a name or organization, but you haven't mentioned one ...
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fealola
 
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Reply Wed 27 Aug, 2003 08:15 pm
Yeah. Name a real person.
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chaiyah
 
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Reply Wed 27 Aug, 2003 08:18 pm
Kent at cyberspace orbit labeled the two Lasko "dots" as Venus and Jupiter. There has been absolutely nothing on the NASA site to indicate that Mars is within shouting distance of the Sun--particularly on May the 26th, when the first 14 cam shots were taken.

The planets don't wear signs on them.

I understood that Mars is at the other horizon from the Sun. Do you have a map showing where it should be now?

I have not seen one. I have seen reems of data and prose about Mars, but no simple diagram of its location.

That seems real odd to me. Doesn't it seem odd to you?

: ) chai
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