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SHUD WE FREELY CLONE, To Geneticly Improve ?

 
 
Reply Sun 13 Jan, 2008 04:10 am
SHUD WE FREELY CLONE, To Geneticly Improve ?

Is it morally OK
to clone your pets, to preserve them ?

How about doing the same thing for your parents ?

Your kids ?

David
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hanno
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jan, 2008 11:48 pm
Cloning won't work for the pet - it would have to be what one has known and loved not a twin from its litter. But for the purpose of testing and improvement - sure. Can't put the genie back in the bottle. First step would be creating artificial wombs since for whatever bursts from a sentient human cloaca there would be difficulty in drawing a line between human and creation - not to mention the process limits of doing it that way.

After that, though the real abominations would start, and a lot of them, even if not used for high-octane theoretical-psychology, would probably have to be self aware, maybe even more so than you or I. But so what? Have we come all this way to back down over the scenery?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jan, 2008 01:34 am
hanno wrote:
Cloning won't work for the pet - it would have to be what one has known and loved not a twin from its litter. But for the purpose of testing and improvement - sure. Can't put the genie back in the bottle. First step would be creating artificial wombs since for whatever bursts from a sentient human cloaca there would be difficulty in drawing a line between human and creation - not to mention the process limits of doing it that way.

After that, though the real abominations would start, and a lot of them, even if not used for high-octane theoretical-psychology, would probably have to be self aware, maybe even more so than you or I. But so what? Have we come all this way to back down over the scenery?

What do u have in mind
as the abominations ?
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hanno
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 07:22 pm
first off, ballast to the process. Techniques are improving but malformed specimens will be created.

second, altered human beings.

third, subhumans (define it as you will) for approximating human functionality to ends not suitable for real people.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 07:56 pm
hanno wrote:
first off, ballast to the process. Techniques are improving but malformed specimens will be created.

second, altered human beings.

third, subhumans (define it as you will) for approximating human functionality to ends not suitable for real people.

Do u allow for the possibility
of IMPROVING the human status quo ?

more acute senses, more clever intelligences,
more robust and longer good health ?
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jan, 2008 01:35 pm
Re: SHUD WE FREELY CLONE, To Geneticly Improve ?
OmSigDAVID wrote:
SHUD WE FREELY CLONE, To Geneticly Improve ?

Is it morally OK
to clone your pets, to preserve them ?

How about doing the same thing for your parents ?

Your kids ?

David


I don't think there's anything wrong with cloning your pets, if you have the money!

As far as cloning a human being, it's never been done and I doubt that it ever could be without numerous overt or latent genetic errors occuring.

What do you think?
:wink:
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jan, 2008 07:32 pm
Re: SHUD WE FREELY CLONE, To Geneticly Improve ?
Miller wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
SHUD WE FREELY CLONE, To Geneticly Improve ?

Is it morally OK
to clone your pets, to preserve them ?

How about doing the same thing for your parents ?

Your kids ?

David


I don't think there's anything wrong with cloning your pets, if you have the money!

As far as cloning a human being, it's never been done and I doubt that it ever
could be without numerous overt or latent genetic errors occuring.

What do you think?
:wink:

Ever is a long time.

I think that Rome was not built in a day,
but where there is a will there is a way.
David
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Miller
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jan, 2008 04:44 am
Quote:
where there is a will there is a way.


Too bad this isn't true!
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Kweenflipsta75
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jan, 2008 05:09 am
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As far as cloning a human being, it's never been done and I doubt that it ever could be without numerous overt or latent genetic errors occuring.


PArt of me says that yes, cloning human beings will be possible one day, give it another century or two. As for ethics, can one live with the fact that they are no longer an individual? That there would be a copy of them?
Then theres the improvement of a human being... things like intelligence or looks (eye and hair colour). i personally believe that should be left solely to natural selection, after all it's helped our species get this far.

But how about deleting genetic defects and illnesses on the other hand? What do you guys think?!
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Miller
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jan, 2008 09:10 am
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how about deleting genetic defects and illnesses


Hmmmm! This sounds like eugenics. Does it by any chance remind one of the human experimentation that Hilter et al. conducted on the Jews during WWII?
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Kweenflipsta75
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jan, 2008 10:33 pm
DO you guys ever remember watching a Movie called Gattaca... Set in the future where everyone was 'conceived' by IVF so that during the process of fertilization, scientists could "correct" THe childs DNA to remove any imperfections...making them far more superior to people conceived naturally..... imagine living in a world like that.... Confused Freaky much?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jan, 2008 12:25 am
Kweenflipsta75 wrote:
DO you guys ever remember watching a Movie called Gattaca...
Set in the future where everyone was 'conceived' by IVF so that during
the process of fertilization, scientists could "correct" THe childs DNA to remove
any imperfections...making them far more superior to people conceived naturally.....
imagine living in a world like that.... Confused Freaky much?

Yeah; that 'd be good.
I did not see that movie.

From the perspective of the baby,
he 'd be better off, better looking and have a longer, healthier,
and presumably happier life
than that we have.

If I were going to be a parent,
I 'd figure that I owed that to them.

Y 'd anyone wish to have been born in a geneticly inferior condition ?
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Miller
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2008 10:19 am
Have you ever noticed from history, that individuals who marry within a specific ethnic group ( due to social pressure?), while having a very high average IQ, for example, very often have a higher risk of having specific diseases such as ovarian and breast cancer etc ?

Case in point: European Jews who were forced to live in ghettos prior to and during WWII.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2008 10:39 am
Miller wrote:
Have you ever noticed from history, that individuals who marry within a specific ethnic group
( due to social pressure?), while having a very high average IQ, for example,
very often have a higher risk of having specific diseases
such as ovarian and breast cancer etc ?

Case in point: European Jews who were forced to live in ghettos prior to and during WWII.

I have not actually noticed it.

However, I understand the concept to be
that in such circumstances recessive defective genes can become operational.

However, I 've heard that the most recent thinking
is that there is no greater risk genetic of defects from marriage
of brothers n sisters.
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