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Is the Bible Reliable? Science and Scripture

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 09:43 am
Well, my "solution" is simply that i see no reason to assume that there is a paradox. This is for three reasons. The first is that i see no reason to assume (a core, a priori assumption of the paradox as elaborated by Hart) that technological civilizations would constantly expand outward from their home planets--which is the major burden of my argument. The second is that i see no reason to assume (the core assumption of Fermi's articulation of the paradox) that we would be able to detect other technological civilizations--given the current state of our technology and the amount of resources committed to looking for little green men. Finally, i see no reason to assume that there are technological civilizations out there--which is, or course where Fermi's articulation of the paradox would lead. I'm not saying that there are, or that there aren't--i don't know. (I don't care either, it is a matter of only idle interest to me.)
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 02:38 pm
Setanta wrote:
None of you Boys have answered my question of whether or not you think there is intelligent life out there. For my part, i'm still engrossed in a search for intelligent life on this planet. Wish me luck.
If the bible is correct, contact between terrestrial and extra terrestrial would not take place until the issue of God's sovereignty is settled. Unless such contact is by God's permission. This is why the angels who reportedly came to earth before the flood were condemned.

I've been busy with eBay, now that we are close to the Super Bowl, and may not get back in a timely manner. But, I wish you all well.

Go Giants!
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maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 02:59 pm
neologist wrote:
Setanta wrote:
None of you Boys have answered my question of whether or not you think there is intelligent life out there. For my part, i'm still engrossed in a search for intelligent life on this planet. Wish me luck.
If the bible is correct, contact between terrestrial and extra terrestrial would not take place until the issue of God's sovereignty is settled. Unless such contact is by God's permission. This is why the angels who reportedly came to earth before the flood were condemned.


I could use some more explination here. Where does the bible talk about extra-terrestrials?

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I've been busy with eBay, now that we are close to the Super Bowl, and may not get back in a timely manner. But, I wish you all well.

Go Giants!


Your're going to the Super Bowl? Nice. Arizona is great this time of year.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 11:38 pm
neologist wrote:
Setanta wrote:
None of you Boys have answered my question of whether or not you think there is intelligent life out there. For my part, i'm still engrossed in a search for intelligent life on this planet. Wish me luck.
If the bible is correct, contact between terrestrial and extra terrestrial would not take place until the issue of God's sovereignty is settled. Unless such contact is by God's permission. This is why the angels who reportedly came to earth before the flood were condemned.

If the story of goldilocks is correct, contact between little girls and talking bears would not take place until the issue of porridge temperature is settled...
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 09:49 am
maporsche wrote:
neologist wrote:
Setanta wrote:
None of you Boys have answered my question of whether or not you think there is intelligent life out there. For my part, i'm still engrossed in a search for intelligent life on this planet. Wish me luck.
If the bible is correct, contact between terrestrial and extra terrestrial would not take place until the issue of God's sovereignty is settled. Unless such contact is by God's permission. This is why the angels who reportedly came to earth before the flood were condemned.


I could use some more explination here. Where does the bible talk about extra-terrestrials?
Unless I missed something, angels are not terrestrials.
maporsche wrote:


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I've been busy with eBay, now that we are close to the Super Bowl, and may not get back in a timely manner. But, I wish you all well.

Go Giants!


Your're going to the Super Bowl? Nice. Arizona is great this time of year.
Wish I were. Actually, I've been selling Patriots and Giants fan items like crazy and can hardly keep up with the demand. I tried to promote them specifically on a2k, but my post was removed. Rats!
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 09:51 am
rosborne979 wrote:
neologist wrote:
Setanta wrote:
None of you Boys have answered my question of whether or not you think there is intelligent life out there. For my part, i'm still engrossed in a search for intelligent life on this planet. Wish me luck.
If the bible is correct, contact between terrestrial and extra terrestrial would not take place until the issue of God's sovereignty is settled. Unless such contact is by God's permission. This is why the angels who reportedly came to earth before the flood were condemned.

If the story of goldilocks is correct, contact between little girls and talking bears would not take place until the issue of porridge temperature is settled...
Stranger things have happened to folks in Patriots' territory. Razz

Go Giants!
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 03:21 pm
Setanta wrote:
i see no reason to assume (a core, a priori assumption of the paradox as elaborated by Hart) that technological civilizations would constantly expand outward from their home planets--which is the major burden of my argument.

I don't necessarily think that technological civilizations would "constantly" expand outward, or even that they would "usually" expand outward. The problem for me is that apparently "none" of them have ever expanded outward.

All it would take is one alien species with the desire (for whatever reason), and a technology similar to ours, and they could have colonized the galaxy within a million years. And if their tech was better, it might be faster and cheaper.

Even if most lack the desire or the economics to do it, you would still think that at least one race would have tried it. If only one race tried it every million years, it still should have happened 65 times just since the dinosaurs died. And our galaxy has been around for billions of years.

I guess the astounding thing to me is that no galactic races, zero, none, have left any visible mark within our galaxy in billions of years. That seems rather unlikely even if we postulate that most lack the wherewithal or enthusiasm for galactic expansion.

There are many terms in the Drake equation which can drive the result to zero, but there are also reasonable arguments for many terms which leave the results in the hundreds or thousands.

Apparently something is driving the result (visible evidence of colonization) to zero. But we don't know what it is. It might be a combination of things.

At the moment (based on what is visible to our technology and our way of thinking), it appears that for some reason, all the conditions (including economic and motivational) required for visible colonization of a galaxy have never come together even once in this galaxy, even over billions of years. To me that's still a paradox because it doesn't jive with what seems reasonable based on the way I would guestimate the Drake variables.
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 08:53 pm
Must be some other reason?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 10:19 pm
Communication or evidence of existence isnt necessarilly dependent on the conquest of space. Our Milky Way is 100K light years in diameter. With (c) as the speed of signal propogation, weve had just a few hundredths of a percent of space/time to rwsch out ourselves . WIth radio and other dispersive signals losing power t a sixth power ratio, maybe the mass of the galaxy "gets in the way". I read somewhere that, if we modeled our galaxy with the diameter of less than 100 earth miles. The whole thing would be less than 1/2 inch thick.Theres billions of stars in there and we are tuned into a very busy neighborhood trying to distinguish /1000 000watt signals in a melange of other (c) based signals and pulses and emissions.

If everyone is thinking that planetary colonization is a driving force, Id say that planetary economics is a bigger one. Weve only been pounding out radio signals for about 100 years and havent really been listening intentely until the 2 guys in New Jersey with the mess of pigeon **** in their radio telescope. That was like 1965? So weve got about 50 years of " detailed litening" and we can only listen to one half of the signal diameter at a time so weve really reached out 40 light years. Were barely out of the neighborhood.
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