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Are the greatest Evil People Trying to Do Good?

 
 
mrhunt
 
Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 06:45 pm
In Response To will smiths Recent Comments On How He Beleives Even Hitler Beleived He was doing Good through Some Backwards twisted Logic It Got me to thinking that Perhaps Most People Like That Have....

Im Not Talking about your average Murderers,Drug addicts or Rapists.....Im talking about Osama bin laden,terrorists,Hitler and Sadam Hussein....People Of Power Who Are generally Despised Nation wide....


But What causes Them To Become this way? What causes Them to Wage Wars With Countrys? Kills Tens of thousands of innocent people and Worse? Take Osama bin laden,I honestly beleive That Even HE is Not Trying to Do Wrong and i Dont think That HE THINKS he's Doing wrong....I think He's Just Using an extremely Backwards and twisted logic And in addition to Perhaps How People Are raised over there and many other influences He's Merely Trying to Accomplish What He Beleives in....


Now Dont start The flaming now (Contrex....)Because im in no way saying that i support the actions Of ANY of these people....but I Do Honestly Agree with will smiths comments on hitler and can easily apply them to osama bin laden and Others Such as him.....I mean...

What do you guys think? I realize the horrendus Murders they pull of constantly and Terrorizing innocent people...but To Them their Trying to accomplish their beleifes and their so brainwashed by this That To Them This is the "Correct" Thing to Do......Or Do you beleive the other way? do you think that these People Of Power Have just Set out on purpose To become Mass Genocide Murderers and Kill Everyone in their path In the most horrendus way possible?

Oh,And merry christmas...... Smile
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vikorr
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 10:57 pm
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mrhunt
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2007 05:04 pm
Well i definately dont wanna Get into a Whole politacal thingy Debate....ive no clue how government works as do none of us really and all we base our opinions on is the media and whats given to us...None of us are REALLY "there" and Cant REALLY say first hand So im not about to go out bashing bush or the war or whatever.
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vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2007 10:23 pm
I understand a wish to avoid politics, and not to comment on things you know little about...but to say 'we don't really know' - if so, wouldn't a philosophy like that cut both ways then? (re : naming evil people)

There is certainly enough research done out there to find out, not everything, but a good deal, should one choose to search :wink:
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 27 Dec, 2007 02:40 am
Yes
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 27 Dec, 2007 02:41 am
and Merry Christmas !
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mrhunt
 
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Reply Thu 27 Dec, 2007 04:10 am
Nah,You Are right though...We DONT really know and hence the point of this topic! To get peoples opinions on it.......
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 27 Dec, 2007 05:42 am
We DO really know.
Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Castro, Mao, the Kennedys, Pol Pot all thought
that thay were doing the right thing
in the execution of their philosophy.

That 's Y thay DID it.
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vikorr
 
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Reply Thu 27 Dec, 2007 03:46 pm
I would tack on that many of them probably believed that 'might makes right', or that 'the end justifies the means', or that 'there are casualties in any war', or that 'there's no other way', or that 'someone has to have the will to bring peace', or that 'its for the security of our people'...etc etc etc
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mrhunt
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2007 03:25 am
yeah,i can see that......Maybe they felt as if they had to take drastic steps In order to accomplish In what They in their eyes saw as a "greater good' Although it wasnt....and since they were people of such power There was really nobody To Stop them.
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rafamen
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jan, 2008 01:46 am
We always think we are the good guys, so for people like Osama it's like we are too dumb to understand "the greater good". because if they thought what they doing was wrong they wouldnt do it, make sense?
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Amigo
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jan, 2008 02:01 am
You have to consider the posability that the greatest evil people are psychopaths. That is why we don't understand why they do the things they do.

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Current definition of psychopath

The prototypical psychopath has deficits or deviances in several areas: interpersonal relationships, emotion, and self-control. Psychopaths lack a sense of guilt or remorse for any harm they may have caused others, instead rationalizing the behavior, blaming someone else, or denying it outright.[30] Psychopaths also lack empathy towards others in general, resulting in tactlessness, insensitivity, and contemptuousness. All of this belies their tendency to make a good, likable first impression. Psychopaths have a superficial charm about them, enabled by a willingness to say anything without concern for accuracy or truth. This extends into their pathological lying and willingness to con and manipulate others for personal gain or amusement. The prototypical psychopath's emotions are described as a shallow affect, meaning their overall way of relating is characterized by mere displays of friendliness and other emotion for personal gain; the displayed emotion need not correlate with felt emotion, in other words. Shallow affect also describes the psychopath's tendency for genuine emotion to be short lived and egocentric with an overall cold demeanor. Their behavior is impulsive and irresponsible, often failing to keep a job or defaulting on debts.[30]

Since psychopaths cause harm through their actions, it is assumed that they are not emotionally attached to the people they harm; however, according to the PCL-R Checklist, psychopaths are also careless in the way they treat themselves. They frequently fail to alter their behavior in a way that would prevent them from enduring future discomfort.
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