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Mohammed to beat Jack as top UK boys' name by year end 2007

 
 
Mame
 
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Reply Thu 20 Dec, 2007 06:29 pm
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contrex
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 12:54 am
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
You can, I suppose, take shelter in the notion that it will never happen, but that, to me, seems a dodge.


What trash you write! I'm not "taking shelter". As you Yanks say, I've "done the math". The Moslems in Britain are mainly past immigrants and their descendants. There are no more "waves of immigration" likely. (Study UK immigration law if you don't believe me) I know at what rate 1.5 million people would need to reproduce to out-breed 59 million (!) in a reasonable time. It just ain't possible. Also each successive generation becomes more assimilated anyway. When we lived in England we made friends with an Avon lady called Amina who is 3rd generation and as unlike the stereotype as you can imagine. Like I wrote before, Finn, (but you chose to ignore it. Why?) there is no "demographic" issue. It just shows that many of 1.5 million Moslems choose the same name, whereas most of 59 million Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Catholics, atheists, Ba'hai, Sikhs, and whatever, choose varied names.

It seems to me, Finn, that you're just keen on stirring up **** because you have a rightwing racist xenophobic Islamophobic agenda. And your last post only reinforces that impression. In British terms, you'd be a Daily Mail reader.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 07:12 am
contrex, unfortunately, there are only 52 cards in the deck. You have played the race card 53 times now and will be escorted from the casino.
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contrex
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 07:22 am
cjhsa wrote:
contrex, unfortunately, there are only 52 cards in the deck. You have played the race card 53 times now and will be escorted from the casino.


Can't answer the points raised?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 07:27 am
I see nothing but namecalling. It seems to be your MO.
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contrex
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 07:41 am
cjhsa wrote:
I see nothing but namecalling.


Let me polish your eyeglasses a bit.

Contrex wrote:
I've "done the math". The Moslems in Britain are mainly past immigrants and their descendants. There are no more "waves of immigration" likely. (Study UK immigration law if you don't believe me) I know at what rate 1.5 million people would need to reproduce to out-breed 59 million (!) in a reasonable time. It just ain't possible.


Does that make it clearer?

Re the name calling...

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A bunch of liberal whiners on A2K.

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Hail Corazine the douchebag!

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AIDS infected gaybots

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Effing pacifists.

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America is based on judeo christian principles, not that of 1000-year behind the times sand monkeys.

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"global warming" alarmists
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 09:07 am
Do you see any namecalling directed at you?

Apparently you do. Probably the gaybots one... Laughing!!!
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contrex
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 09:12 am
cjhsa wrote:
Do you see any namecalling directed at you?

Apparently you do.


It's just that, to borrow a phrase

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It seems to be your MO.


Still no answer to the points raised.

Happy Christmas!
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 09:37 am
So, GB is 2% Moslem? I can see that in America since we are a melting pot (sometimes to our detriment), but in the UK? ****, you have a moat around the country. How did that happen?
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contrex
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 09:50 am
Presuming your remarks are serious - we don't need (or want) a dyke. We have religious freedom. There has been contact between Britons and Muslims for many centuries. An early example would be the decision of Offa, the eighth-century King of Mercia (one of the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms existing at that time), to have coins minted with an Islamic inscription on them - copies of coins issued by the near-contemporary Muslim ruler Al-Mansur. It is thought that they were minted to facilitate trade with the expanding Islamic empire in Spain.

In 1625 it was reported that Lundy, an island in the Bristol Channel which had been a pirate lair for much of the previous half century, had been occupied by three Turkish pirates who were threatening to burn Ilfracombe; Algerine rovers were using the island as a base in 1635, although the island had itself been attacked and plundered by a Spanish raid in 1633.

The first large group of Muslims in Britain arrived about 300 years ago. They were sailors recruited in India to work for the East India Company, and so it's not surprising that the first Muslim communities were found in port towns. Ships' cooks came too, many of them from Sylhet in what is now Bangladesh. There are records of Sylhetis working in London restaurants as early as 1873.

The first Muslim community which permanently settled in the United Kingdom consisted of Yemeni sailors who arrived in ports such as Swansea, Liverpool and South Shields shortly after 1900. Later some of them migrated to inland cities like Birmingham and Sheffield where there are 23,819 Muslims.

Mosques also appeared in British seaports at this time; the first mosque in Britain is recorded as having been at 2 Glyn Rhondda Street, Cardiff, in 1860. From the 1950s, with large immigration to Britain from the former colonies of Britain, large Muslim populations developed in many British towns and cities.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 09:52 am
And now they blow up subways. Such gratitude for your generous welcome.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 10:54 am
Well I'm glad you're all concerned over there for the welfare of the white man over here. Some of you seem to have rather an idealistic or even naive idea about British society. We've always been a hetrogeneous mix. But in time with the mixing, the more homogeneous it gets. We just have to facilitate that.

Logically the British will never be swamped by immigrants because the immigrants become British.

If some on this thread are concerned that the average Brit might in future have slightly darker skin and wear something on his head that could once have been a bowler hat or a turban, then thats your problem, not mine.

The issue of race really does not concern me. But I do have a problem with religion. Particularly Islam. And most especially political islam which works hard to hinder assimillation and has goals incompatible with the welfare of the people of these islands.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 12:57 pm
Re: Mohammed to beat Jack as top UK boys' name by year end 2
Finn dAbuzz wrote:


Only that the Islamic community lacks creativity when choosing names and that the article is just trying to stir up xenophobia by trying to paint a "there goes the neighborhood" picture with misleading statistics.
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contrex
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 02:40 pm
cjhsa wrote:
And now they blow up subways. Such gratitude for your generous welcome.


The undeground and bus bombs were Britain's Columbine. We'll cope. We don't need American neocon forum gurus to tell us what we need to do. Listen, bub, we've been trading with and welcoming Muslims since 1000 years before your country was even founded. So quit with the lectures, OK? I see your country is doing rather well in Iraq right now...
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 05:32 pm
Steve 41oo wrote:
Well I'm glad you're all concerned over there for the welfare of the white man over here. Some of you seem to have rather an idealistic or even naive idea about British society. We've always been a hetrogeneous mix. But in time with the mixing, the more homogeneous it gets. We just have to facilitate that.

Logically the British will never be swamped by immigrants because the immigrants become British.

If some on this thread are concerned that the average Brit might in future have slightly darker skin and wear something on his head that could once have been a bowler hat or a turban, then thats your problem, not mine.

The issue of race really does not concern me. But I do have a problem with religion. Particularly Islam. And most especially political islam which works hard to hinder assimillation and has goals incompatible with the welfare of the people of these islands.


The issue of race doesn't concern me either. The issue I'm interested in is the issue of culture, in which one can include religion.

It is not surprising that, in the main, so-called white peoples have roughly similar cultures, just as "yellow" peoples and "black" peoples do. It is to be expected that the conditions that have given rise to physical characteristic we tend to group in separate races would also give rise to distinct cultures. Homogeneous culture is likely to be accompanied by homgeneous race and visa versa.

The name trend focused on the UK but the possible confrontation of cultures can occur anywhere. A common thread that has resulted in this "thread" is that usually these situations involve one group that has established an identity wiithin the land they live and the others are newcomers, guests, invaders, etc.

Obviously, I could be wrong, but I believe that the long established group may welcome the cultural influences of the newcomers, but will always draw a line somewhere; whenever they believe that core of their culture is at risk.

They could, like earlier versions of China and Japan draw the line before there is even much of a cultural influence at all, or they could embrace influences and grow strong from them, but aways there is a line.

There is a line in the UK and Europe. There is a line in Pakistan, Jordan, and Nigeria. One can contend that this line is a product of racism or xenophobia, but I would strongly disagree.

Newcomers that have a birth rate that promises population increase and who resist assimilation, are likely to find themselves crossing the line of the estabished group that has a declining birth rate and any sort of sense of cultural identity.

the reaction need not be extreme, but it will be if the established culture refuses to recognize the conflict and brands any discussion of it racist or xenophobic.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 05:38 pm
contrex wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
You can, I suppose, take shelter in the notion that it will never happen, but that, to me, seems a dodge.


What trash you write! I'm not "taking shelter". As you Yanks say, I've "done the math". The Moslems in Britain are mainly past immigrants and their descendants. There are no more "waves of immigration" likely. (Study UK immigration law if you don't believe me) I know at what rate 1.5 million people would need to reproduce to out-breed 59 million (!) in a reasonable time. It just ain't possible. Also each successive generation becomes more assimilated anyway. When we lived in England we made friends with an Avon lady called Amina who is 3rd generation and as unlike the stereotype as you can imagine. Like I wrote before, Finn, (but you chose to ignore it. Why?) there is no "demographic" issue. It just shows that many of 1.5 million Moslems choose the same name, whereas most of 59 million Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Catholics, atheists, Ba'hai, Sikhs, and whatever, choose varied names.

It seems to me, Finn, that you're just keen on stirring up **** because you have a rightwing racist xenophobic Islamophobic agenda. And your last post only reinforces that impression. In British terms, you'd be a Daily Mail reader.


And in univeral terms you are a twit. At last Set and I agree on something.
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contrex
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 05:55 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
And in univeral terms you are a twit. At last Set and I agree on something.


On the evidence of this paragraph, you are something worse: more pitiable and more blameworthy...

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It is not surprising that, in the main, so-called white peoples have roughly similar cultures, just as "yellow" peoples and "black" peoples do. It is to be expected that the conditions that have given rise to physical characteristic we tend to group in separate races would also give rise to distinct cultures. Homogeneous culture is likely to be accompanied by homgeneous race and visa versa.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 09:32 pm
contrex wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
And in univeral terms you are a twit. At last Set and I agree on something.


On the evidence of this paragraph, you are something worse: more pitiable and more blameworthy...

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It is not surprising that, in the main, so-called white peoples have roughly similar cultures, just as "yellow" peoples and "black" peoples do. It is to be expected that the conditions that have given rise to physical characteristic we tend to group in separate races would also give rise to distinct cultures. Homogeneous culture is likely to be accompanied by homgeneous race and visa versa.


How so?
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contrex
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2007 03:35 am
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
How so?


Q.E.D.
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Pamela Rosa
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2007 04:07 am
Muslim male unemployment rates - 13%,
economically inactive Muslim male- 31%
= 44% of Muslim working age males not in employment.

Muslim unemployment rates female - 18%,
economically inactive Muslim female - 69%
= 87% Muslim working age females not in employment.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=979
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