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Switzerland: right-wing minister ousted

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 04:19 pm
Well, actually it's not my title but (tranlated) from the newsfeed by swiss-info. Your info actually doesn't differ a lot (besides my typos) from what I wrote above:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Update:

Böocher's fellow member of the nationalist-conservative Swiss Peoples Party (SVP), Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf, was elected to the Federal Council. But she immediately asked for time to consider whether to accept the post, with parliament then going into recess and due to reconvene on Thursday.




I know quite a bit about Swiss parliamentary procedures, my dear friend.
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High Seas
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 04:28 pm
Walter - you do know a lot about Swiss parliamentary procedures, which is why I was surprised to see you adopt an erroneous wording; whether it originated with you or with Swiss Info is immaterial. But the lady would be a fool to accept - Blocher can withdraw both SVP members from the Federal Council and lead the country to political paralysis. My bet is she will turn down the (unsought) post and Blocher will either get it back in a new round of voting - or he will bring the consensus cabinet system down.

By Swiss political standards this will be a seismic shock.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 04:33 pm
High Seas wrote:

By Swiss political standards this will be a seismic shock.


That's what I said :wink:

According to all (Swiss legal) sources, the two ministers could stay in the cabinet though their party is in opposition.


Oh, and the Tribune de Genéve still has an article online Christoph Blocher écarté ... :wink:
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High Seas
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 04:35 pm
Eh oui, mon cher Walter, toutefois "écarté" is nowhere NEAR "ousted" - so there!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 04:41 pm
High Seas wrote:
Eh oui, mon cher Walter, toutefois "écarté" is nowhere NEAR "ousted" - so there!




Maybe that's because my French-English dictionary is a French publication? (On the other hand, leo.dic gives the same result.)
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High Seas
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 04:46 pm
abgedraengt is a more forceful way of expressing ecarte, but not quite as violent as ousted... though we are talking nuances Smile
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 04:18 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Update:

Böocher's fellow member of the nationalist-conservative Swiss Peoples Party (SVP), Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf, was elected to the Federal Council. But she immediately asked for time to consider whether to accept the post, with parliament then going into recess and due to reconvene on Thursday.



Again, though Tico has a different opinion, I don't know of any country which was run by a government consisting of ministers from the left to the right (the SVP, Christian Democrats, Social Democrats and Free Democrats) - since nearly exactly 50 years.

And if the SVP goes in opposition - this would be the severest crisis for Switzerland in decades.


Why.would.it.de.such.a.crisis,Walter Question


Parties.im.coalitiom.im.mamy.coumtries.chamge.parters.from.ti,e.to.time.


I.dom't.doudt.that.it.IS.a.crisis...I.just.dom't.quite.get.WHY.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 05:37 am
dlowan wrote:
Why.would.it.de.such.a.crisis,Walter Question


Parties.im.coalitiom.im.mamy.coumtries.chamge.parters.from.ti,e.to.time.


I.dom't.doudt.that.it.IS.a.crisis...I.just.dom't.quite.get.WHY.


It's not really a coalition - they call it "consensus government": the political system used for Swiss governents since decades.

Now, since Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf's decided to join the government (cheered by hundreds of demonstrators outside the parliament), they've got [as far as is known until now] the SVD in the opposition (they never had an oppositional party in Switzerland in the last decades), but members of this opposition being ministers in the government.

Btw: Swiss cabinet members have to be confirmed by the Parliament every four years.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 10:40 am
dlowan wrote:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Update:

Böocher's fellow member of the nationalist-conservative Swiss Peoples Party (SVP), Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf, was elected to the Federal Council. But she immediately asked for time to consider whether to accept the post, with parliament then going into recess and due to reconvene on Thursday.



Again, though Tico has a different opinion, I don't know of any country which was run by a government consisting of ministers from the left to the right (the SVP, Christian Democrats, Social Democrats and Free Democrats) - since nearly exactly 50 years.

And if the SVP goes in opposition - this would be the severest crisis for Switzerland in decades.


Why.would.it.de.such.a.crisis,Walter Question


Parties.im.coalitiom.im.mamy.coumtries.chamge.parters.from.ti,e.to.time.


I.dom't.doudt.that.it.IS.a.crisis...I.just.dom't.quite.get.WHY.


How dare you question the significance of this thread, rabbit! http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4513/15296210tb4.gif
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High Seas
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 02:57 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:

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Now, since Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf's decided to join the government (cheered by hundreds of demonstrators outside the parliament).....


Police in Bern mentioned dozens, not hundreds, most of whom didn't look like actual voters, though no document check was ordered. Here's more background on Blocher and his party:

Quote:

.....the European Union and Switzerland have started a television, radio and poster campaign in African countries to keep potential illegal migrants from trying to immigrate to Europe.

Switzerland's migration authority initiated and directed the campaign, which has included producing a promotional film during the past few months meant to scare away potential illegal immigrants, according to German business daily Handelsblatt.
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Switzerland's right-wing justice minister Christoph Blocher, whose ministry controls the Migration Office, supports the campaign. He, too, told the Swiss paper SonntagsBlick that "we must show the Africans that Switzerland is not paradise."

Blocher's populist Swiss People's Party won the majority of votes in last month's federal elections after a campaign that focused heavily on immigration.


http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2974037,00.html
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 03:54 pm
High Seas wrote:

Police in Bern mentioned dozens, not hundreds, most of whom didn't look like actual voters, though no document check was ordered.


Well, the tv videos gave quite a different picture - I saw it live (Swiss tv SRG on 3sat)
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 04:31 pm
With a name like that, Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf would get my vote every time.

Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0,,2226480,00.html
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 04:37 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
dlowan wrote:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Update:

Böocher's fellow member of the nationalist-conservative Swiss Peoples Party (SVP), Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf, was elected to the Federal Council. But she immediately asked for time to consider whether to accept the post, with parliament then going into recess and due to reconvene on Thursday.



Again, though Tico has a different opinion, I don't know of any country which was run by a government consisting of ministers from the left to the right (the SVP, Christian Democrats, Social Democrats and Free Democrats) - since nearly exactly 50 years.

And if the SVP goes in opposition - this would be the severest crisis for Switzerland in decades.


Why.would.it.de.such.a.crisis,Walter Question


Parties.im.coalitiom.im.mamy.coumtries.chamge.parters.from.ti,e.to.time.


I.dom't.doudt.that.it.IS.a.crisis...I.just.dom't.quite.get.WHY.


How dare you question the significance of this thread, rabbit! http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4513/15296210tb4.gif



I DIDN'T question the significance of a thread about international news in the international news forum. I asked a clarifying question about the news.

You, however, DID so question. On what basis I cannot imagine, but so it goes.



(My keyboard is in spontaneous remission again!!! I wonder how long this will last??????????)
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 04:42 pm
I spit upon your filthy Swiss keyboard . . . Ptui ! ! !
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 04:47 pm
Congrats to the working keyboard http://daboard.com/images/smilies/knock%20on%20wood.gif

Adding to my above response (from wikipedia):

Quote:
From 1959 to 2003 the Federal Council was composed of a coalition of all major parties in the same ratio: 2 each from the Free Democratic Party, Social Democratic Party and Christian Democratic People's Party and 1 from the Swiss People's Party. Changes in the council occur, in practice, only if one of the members resigns; this member is almost always replaced by someone from the same party (and often also from the same linguistic group).

This "magic formula" has been widely criticised: in the 1960s, for excluding leftist opposition parties; in the 1980s, for excluding the emerging Green party; and particularly after the 1999 election, by the People's Party, which had by then grown from being the fourth largest party on the National Council to being the largest. In the elections of 2003, the People's Party received (effective January 1, 2004) a second seat in the Federal Council, reducing the share of the Christian Democratic Party to one seat.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 04:59 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Congrats to the working keyboard http://daboard.com/images/smilies/knock%20on%20wood.gif

Adding to my above response (from wikipedia):

Quote:
From 1959 to 2003 the Federal Council was composed of a coalition of all major parties in the same ratio: 2 each from the Free Democratic Party, Social Democratic Party and Christian Democratic People's Party and 1 from the Swiss People's Party. Changes in the council occur, in practice, only if one of the members resigns; this member is almost always replaced by someone from the same party (and often also from the same linguistic group).

This "magic formula" has been widely criticised: in the 1960s, for excluding leftist opposition parties; in the 1980s, for excluding the emerging Green party; and particularly after the 1999 election, by the People's Party, which had by then grown from being the fourth largest party on the National Council to being the largest. In the elections of 2003, the People's Party received (effective January 1, 2004) a second seat in the Federal Council, reducing the share of the Christian Democratic Party to one seat.



Thank you.

I confess I am struggling to imagine such an arrangement....which just means it is unfamiliar, I guess.

Do you have any good resources online for me to read about it?


SHORTER resources? Does Wikipedia provide a good explication and assessment do you think Walter?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 05:00 pm
Setanta wrote:
I spit upon your filthy Swiss keyboard . . . Ptui ! ! !


I think it is Japanese...........but spit away if you enjoy it.
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High Seas
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 05:03 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
High Seas wrote:

Police in Bern mentioned dozens, not hundreds, most of whom didn't look like actual voters, though no document check was ordered.


Well, the tv videos gave quite a different picture - I saw it live (Swiss tv SRG on 3sat)


Get a grip, Walter, the reference is to the allegedly CHEERING demonstrators - surely you can refer to your very own posts?!
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High Seas
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 05:07 pm
Doubting whether giddy-with-imagined-triumph Walter can find his own post, here it is again...>

Quote:
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Now, since Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf's decided to join the government (cheered by hundreds of demonstrators outside the parliament).....


>... along with a notice, in Berlin any number of ministers tell me they'd never oppose Switzerland declaring Anschluss and getting some ORDNUNG in the joint, out of control already Smile
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High Seas
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 05:28 pm
Setanta wrote:
I spit upon your filthy Swiss keyboard . . . Ptui ! ! !


Somewhere, somehow, some error crept into your syllogism - if the keyboard really WERE Swiss (an allegation subsequently vigorously denied by lawful owner) then it WOULD be CLEAN already; source:

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