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misfire cylinder 1-2000 mustang HIGH MILES!!!

 
 
Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 8 Dec, 2007 09:07 pm
Ford Aerostar 4.0 1994

I have chatted extensively with these kind folk and the general consensus is that this engine has spark polarity considerations, by that I mean that the negative electrode will "pull off" the rare metal if it's a single rare-metal type.

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/forum33/
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 8 Dec, 2007 09:08 pm
Chumly, I am thinking you are the brain surgeon who was talking about maintaining amnesia between posts the other day....(if not I apologize, but offer the same advice)

If this is, indeed you, Please go look at a few of mine....

I won't talk electrical theory with you, but I will enjoy dancing automotive theory with you, I promise... Laughing

Stone Dome
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 8 Dec, 2007 09:27 pm
I am not saying it's the problem with this Mustang, only that it came to mind as per the plugs on my van so it made sense to at least ask if the heat range was correct and if the OP has tried dual plat.

Quote:
A. DIS is different from standard electronic ignition systems in that the voltage surges from the coil passes through the plug wire to the plug. With the evolution of DIS, because spark plugs in a DIS system fire in a looped system rather than a single spark for those in a conventional system, the spark plug is required to be stronger and more robust. The Autolite® Double Platinum spark plug, which features platinum on both tips of the electrode is designed to withstand the added requirements of a DIS system. So when the DIS ignition system fires, the platinum on both tips of the electrode ensures the plug tip does not wear down AND maintains the gap thereby extending the life of the plug. With the extended life of the Autolite® Double Platinum spark plug, vehicle owners won't have to incur the labor costs of changing their spark plugs as often since these plugs last 2 to 3 times longer

http://www.autolite.com/carcare/faq.php#q12

I do love engines and engine theory: from flame propagation to OBDII, so chat away if you wish. My main focus is on motorcycles however I do have a 2002 Miata and a laptop based OBDII reader.

I have a Dynojet Power Commander USB on my 2004 Honda VFR. I do all my own wrenching - I like shop manuals. I do not do this professorially though. I also enjoy compression-ignition theory and RC engine theory.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 8 Dec, 2007 09:33 pm
Chumly, I retract my earlier veiled insult, but do not have the time, nor energy to argue to the degree that you enjoy.

I prefer antiques with solid mechanical fundamentals, and carburetors, preferrably dual...

Plugs are cheap, compared to pulling off chunks, look at all options...

(the plug is still 1 of 4 that is carbon fouled....)

RH
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 8 Dec, 2007 09:45 pm
No worries poking fun is part of the charm of A2K.

I used to have a two-lung all cast-iron Maytag 2-cycle washing machine engine. I wish I still had that animated old clunker. Strangely enough it used loop scavenge and not port scavenge thus the piston crowns were neither flat or domed but had the complex wave shape needed for loop scavenging

I believe it also had a rotary valve instead of a reed valve so although it was very ugly on the outside it definitely was ahead of its time on the inside.

I have a soft spot for the old 2-cycles and think that some day with direct-injection and forced-induction that the 2-stoke gas engine may reappear.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 8 Dec, 2007 09:48 pm
Methinks this explains much about you.... Shocked

RH
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jessi
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2008 03:17 am
are you still having problems with your mustang? I'm having the same issues with mine but its a fairly new problem. Mine is a 99 model and has 129,000miles.

With the posts that you've put I'm assuming that its not going to kill my car to drive it a bit. This has been going on for about 3k miles. I thought that I had it fixed when I had it worked on about 1500k into the problem but after driving it about 900miles the misfire returned.
I know very little about cars but I understand what I read.
I'm actually home for the holidays and need to make my way back to TX. About a 1000mile trip. Am I safe to make it home and have someone fix it there?
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hapkidoan
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jun, 2008 12:30 am
I have a mustang with 175k miles and had the problem you all are having-misfiring cylinder, fixed by changing old plug with carbon (yes, CARBON) buildup only to replace again in a month or 2.

One of 2 problems, probably both:
-The valve cover on 99-00 mustangs on the drivers side has a design flaw that allows oil to be ejected through the PCV valve into the upper intake manifold. Here is a good explanation, and includes possible solutions:
http://www.miracerros.com/mustang/pcv_filter.htm
This was not my problem, but it can't hurt to fix.

-leaky fuel valve seal- the seal leaks oil into the cylinder, which causes the car to burn oil and produces carbon buildup in the cylinder and on the plug, eventually fouling it out completely. I bet your car smokes when you start it but not so much when it runs, right? This is because when you turn off the car, your seal cools, then shrinks, exposing the leak. The oil in the head leaks through the seal after it cools and lays on top of the piston. When you start the car, all that oil burns off-thus the blue smoke, and the fouling plug. Once the car warms up, the seal expands, closing the leak, and the smoke goes away, or reduces significantly. The oil that has to be burnt during startup is what causes the plug to foul so quickly, and if the problem is not corrected, you will have more problems requiring more money most likely in the head-such as lifters or valve guides wearing oblong.

Solution 1-replace the heads. They run about $200-$250(depending on the year, since the 99 had duel intake ports and the 00-04 had single intake ports--don't believe me-call any Ford parts center and have them look it up, since even they normally don't know this) or you can get performance heads from crt racing performance, supersix motorsports, morana racing or rpm something or other-$550-$1300, but lots of fun!

Solution 2-replace all valve seals-they cost about $50 at any chain auto parts store, and about half a day's time. Requires you to take off valve covers (so you will need gaskets, or use the old ones, I wouldn't-cost about $30) and an air compressor that will blow at least 90 psi (a 2 horse power one should do) and an attachment for it that will screw into the spark plug hole-$15-$30. Consult your haynes or chiltons auto manual for instructions.

Solution 3-(what I did)-change your oil every 1000 miles RELIGIOUSLY and with every change add RESTORE-comes in a silver can, runs about $7 at walmart or any auto parts store. RESTORE contains additives that help restore compression, gaskets and the like. There are several other products that do the same thing, but this is what I used, its been around for a while. The problem should be fixed withing 5 cycles. If it isn't fixed after 10, replace the seals. I have driven the car about 10,000 miles since I did this with no RESTORE and the problem has not come back.

Also, you may notice right now that your oil gets very dirty very quickly (about 500 miles after the change). Check your oil now and smell it-you will most likely smell fuel. This problem also comes from the valve, and you will be able to tell if it is working because this will slowly go away. I don't know where the dirt comes from, most likely carbon buildup, but this goes away too. My oil looks new after 3000 miles since I did this.

In the mean time, a few things you can do to fix the rough idle, which is a completely different problem is:

1)clean the IAC with brake cleaner (no it doesn't hurt the electrical components, you can clean most sensors with it because it evaporates quickly). It is right behind the throttle body on the upper intake manifold on the backside, is about 4 inches long, cylindrical, and will have a wire coming off it. You can remove it with a stubby phillips head screwdriver, only 2 screws. Spray and wipe the inside clean as best you can. Unplug the negative battery cable before you do this and leave unplugged for a few hours. This completely wipes the computer and makes it write a new MAF (mass air flow) table among other things, allowing it to adjust to the greater amount of idle air flowing into the engine.

2) While the battery is unplugged, take the worthless POS air silencer off the side of your airbox (the rubber thing going from the air filter housing into the fenderwell) and replace your airfilter with a performance air filter. You don't need a K&N, they are all made from the same thing-cotton. Or better yet, buy a cold air intake kit from ebay. Even cheaper-make your own! There is plenty of material online about how to do this, mine is made of PVC.

3) Also while the battery is unplugged, spray the MAF sensor with some brake cleaner, especially if you don't replace your air filter correctly/on time. When you remove the airbox, lift up the MAF housing (big black plastic housing still attached to the car), remove the front (4 clips, flat screwdriver works fine), Now, see the little hole at the top? Yeah, spray in there. DO NOT TOUCH THE SENSOR (inside the hole) WITH ANYTHING IT WILL ABSOLUTELY BRAKE!!!! A new one is about $300.

4)Replace the fuel filter. This is a pain because Ford decided to put clips INSIDE the fuel line (because for some reason they thought the ones on the outside weren't good enough, which they are). You will most likely end up ripping them out-don't panic, they are pointless, the clips on the outside are fine and do not allow the filter to shift at all.

5)Run fuel system cleaner in your next 2 tanks of gas.

6)If you are feeling particularly daring, remove the upper intake manifold (very easy, can be done in half an hour). Notice all the black stuff in the runners-get it out. Brake cleaner works fine to loosen it, but you will need something to scrape it out with. A plastic spoon works pretty good. Also, while its off, clean the runners out on the top of the lower intake manifold. CAREFUL NOT TO GET ANYTHING INSIDE OF THE RUNNERS OF THE LOWER INTAKE, AND DO NOT USE THE BRAKE CLEANER FOR THIS! Like the dirt you will notice has accumulated in the crevices between the upper and lower intake-there will be a ton of it. Also, careful with the gasket! It is a wire mesh gasket so if you keep it intact you can reuse it (some would argue this, but I did and I have no leaks). You do not need gasket maker to put it on. All that will do is make is hard for the next person to get off. Have fun, this will take a while. Do all this while the battery is unplugged.
---On a side note, don't attempt to remove the fuel rail to clean the injectors unless you have de-pressurized your fuel system, or like the feeling of gas in your mouth and eyes. This is easy, before any disassembly, open your trunk, behind the drivers side tail light is the inertia switch (shuts off the fuel pump if you are in a bad enough accident to trigger it). Unplug the switch. Start the car. When it dies, the fuel system is de-pressurized. Remember to plug it back in or your car wont start.---

7)Replace the pcv valve-about $5

8)Replace vacuum lines

9)check emissions codes, you may need an O2 sensor or something.

If it still idles rough, have your fuel system serviced. Still idles rough-do a compression/leakdown test. Take it somewhere for this, the $100 is worth it.

I wouldn't recommend anything that I wouldn't do. That being said-I have done all of this accept the fuel system service and compression/leakdown test. My car went from your situation to running like a champ.

Hope this helps
Hapkidoan
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jun, 2008 07:00 am
Fab post Hapkidoan!
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