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Illegal Suicide

 
 
Montana
 
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Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2007 12:15 pm
Bella, I use to feel the exact same way you do, but over the years and lots of thinking about it, my feelings changed.

Just a year ago, my cousin took his own life and I understood. He was very depressed for a very long time and he didn't want to suffer anymore.

Most people who take their own lives, don't talk about it. They just do it, so it's very difficult to help someone who doesn't ask for it.

My cousin never told anyone what he was going to do and I'd like to explain the story as I know it.
My cousins wife had left him about a year before he decided to end his life. As I said before, he was depressed for years and his wife did everything she possibly could to help him. She tried counselling, but he gave up after the first visit. She tried everything, but he simply got angry with her, so there was nothing left she could do but to leave.

The family never excepted her in the family because they're idiots, so she got some flack for leaving him.
Yet, when he went to visit the family (after wife left him), they were all too damn busy for him, so alone he was again.

After my cousin took his life, the family fell apart (of course! They blew him off when he tried to be with them) and all they could do is blame the ex wife. Idiots!

In this case, I see the family as being selfish. They weren't there for him when he was trying to bond and now they feel guilty. I would too!

All cases are different, though.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2007 12:27 pm
Bella Dea wrote:
Lash wrote:
I don't think helping loved ones avoid sadness is a good reason to suffer through misery for decades, though.

At some point, the person who feels suicide is the best solution should be considered above those who surround them in life.

Our lives belong to us, ultimately.

Loved ones should understand.


Even if mentally they are not able to make that decision?

I think suicide is a selfish thing to do.

I have never been in the position where death seemed better than life and really meant it so perhaps I don't know but I have been on the other end of a suicide. There were plenty of people around him who would have helped in any way possible to bring him out of the misery he so obviously felt. He was 14. What at 14 could possibly be so bad death was the only answer?

No, I disagree with you that loved ones should understand. All I understood when he died is that we all failed to help him.

I understand how you feel, Bella. Montana sort of finished my thought---and I'd like to clarify. When a person is young-- like 14--many times therapy or meds can improve their lives. It is sad that people don't always show signs of deep depression. Sometimes, intervention can help. i was talking about rational adults, who have spent a good deal of their lives attempting to live with either some debilitating illness or deep depression that isn't abated by meds or therapy.

In these cases, I think it is cruel of "loved ones" to consider them selfish when they choose the last resort.

As Bella said, she hasn't experienced the kind of reality that would lead someone to consider suicide as a valid option. That being, I think people who make that choice should be given the benefit of the doubt.

But, Bella, I am so sorry about your loss.
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Montana
 
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Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2007 12:35 pm
I'm so sorry, as well, Bella. 14 is so very young and I, too, am focused on adult suicides.

The rise in child suicides is alarming and it's so difficult to detect, so it's near impossible to help them unless they tell us how they're feeling.

It's very sad, to say the least Sad
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2007 01:43 pm
Thanks guys...it's been a long time (15 years) but I haven't forgotten what it was like to lose a friend.
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Montana
 
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Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2007 01:47 pm
I know Bella. I've been there too Sad
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2007 08:50 pm
Bella Dea wrote:
Lash wrote:
I don't think helping loved ones avoid sadness is a good reason to suffer through misery for decades, though.

At some point, the person who feels suicide is the best solution should be considered above those who surround them in life.

Our lives belong to us, ultimately.

Loved ones should understand.


Even if mentally they are not able to make that decision?

I think suicide is a selfish thing to do.

I have never been in the position where death seemed better than life and really meant it so perhaps I don't know but I have been on the other end of a suicide. There were plenty of people around him who would have helped in any way possible to bring him out of the misery he so obviously felt. He was 14. What at 14 could possibly be so bad death was the only answer?

No, I disagree with you that loved ones should understand. All I understood when he died is that we all failed to help him.

Sometimes young boys who have died from hanging
( was that the case ? ) falsely appear to have committed suicide,
when in actual fact death was accidental, the hanging being done
for another, unrelated reason, rather than intentional suicide.
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rafamen
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jan, 2008 01:13 am
If we had legal suicide is like saying we support it, but we don't. people who suicide do that because they are reall depressed at the moment because of something that happened, it's not like they are determined to kill themselves after analizing their life's prospects.
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