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Oz election thread #3 - Rudd's Labour

 
 
Wilso
 
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Reply Fri 16 Oct, 2009 05:43 am
@Builder,
What state you in? NSW hospitals are a disaster. Late now, but I'll expand on some of our recent experiences at a later date.
Builder
 
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Reply Fri 16 Oct, 2009 11:13 pm
@Wilso,
Queensland at the moment. There were three people in my ward at Nambour hospital who clearly should have been in palliative care. One guy required two orderlies and two nurses for his daily bed change and turnover. He wasn't ever getting out of the system and he knew it. His skin was too frail to heal. Nice guy, but he really wasn't a "hospital case" if you get my drift.

Back to the thread, the PM assured everyone that he would be taking control of state-run hopitals, if the situation with waiting lists, etc. did not improve. I'd suggest he worries less about his international status as a mover and shaker on the environmental issues, and start tidying up our back yard.

I really like the Kevmeister, but he's not a diplomat now, he's our PM. I'd hazard a guess that he's spent more time abroad than at home. Charity starts at home, for mine. Fix our most pressing issues first, please. Those would be health, housing, and duplication of services. The amalgamation of councils showed us how top-heavy Australian public service workers are.

My suggestion for the health system is to train up those public servants that are now drawing a wage for doing bugger-all after the amalgamation, to slot into current hospital staff positions, as trouble-shooters, weeding out those who seem to like standing around with clipboards, looking important, while achieving next-to-nothing. And believe me, when you are lying on a guerney for six hours, getting jabbed with morphine, those individuals are not at all hard to pick from the determined workers.

msolga
 
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Reply Fri 16 Oct, 2009 11:37 pm
@Builder,
Greetings, Builder. Lovely to see you again! Very Happy

I must confess I've (reluctantly) almost given up on this thread. Due to lack of interest & participation. (Check out the rating, for starters. Neutral )
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 16 Oct, 2009 11:50 pm
@Builder,
Quote:
Back to the thread, the PM assured everyone that he would be taking control of state-run hopitals, if the situation with waiting lists, etc. did not improve. I'd suggest he worries less about his international status as a mover and shaker on the environmental issues, and start tidying up our back yard.


I suggest that this was an "ambit" position, Builder. Electioneering.
To pull the states into line & make it look like the federal government was taking the issue seriously. But (as you can see) not much has changed at all.

The Labor government is not going to rock any boat in its quest to keep "middle Australia" on side. Pragmatism rules. And it's working very well (with middle Australia). Look at the polls.

I'm watching the refugee situation very closely at the moment. Not all that much difference between the Rudd position & the Howard position, as far as I can see.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Sat 17 Oct, 2009 12:25 am
@Builder,
Back when my daughter was sick and we spent 12 hours over 2 days sitting in the pediatric observation room, I had a window into the emergency ward. Every bed full and I doubt that anyone in there was under 75 years of age. They didn't need emergency care. They need geriatric care. It might sound heartless, but people at the end of their lives shouldn't be clogging up our emergency departments. I'm going to make sure I take steps to ensure that I'm not a burden on my children or the health system if I reach that age and my quality of life is gone.
Builder
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2009 02:31 am
@Wilso,
Yeah Wilso. If I get the bone pointed at me, I'm wheeling my chair to some likely lookout, and taking the drop for posterity. Being a burden on anybody doesn't rate high on my scale of independence.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 9 Nov, 2009 01:17 am
http://images.theage.com.au/2009/10/24/811353/golding_cartoon_2510-600x400.jpg

No comment. I can't stand this!
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 24 Nov, 2009 06:49 pm
Here we go!

Kevin Andrews? Surprised

Neutral

Laughing

Quote:
Libs to vote on leadership spill

Malcolm Turnbull has put his leadership of the Liberal Party on the line, calling a party room meeting for 1pm AEDT to decide on whether or not there will be a leadership spill.

Former Howard government frontbencher Kevin Andrews is so far the only challenger to confirm he will run, but Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey say they will not stand.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 24 Nov, 2009 06:58 pm
@msolga,
Oh Malcolm, how did it come to this?
By 7.30 Report's Chris Uhlmann - analysis

Quote:
....By eerie coincidence, the climate change debate is threatening to help take down a third Liberal leader in the space of two years.

Unlike John Howard and Brendan Nelson, one of the reasons Malcolm Turnbull is staring into the abyss is because he is getting too far ahead of many in his party room.

He accepts the prevailing consensus on global warming and is personally committed to an emissions trading system. A significant part of his party does not or believes that this emissions trading scheme is a dog.

But climate change is just one of the symptoms of the disease which threatens to kill off the Opposition Leader.

Many of his colleagues think he alone is the issue, that he has a tin ear for politics and lacks the necessary temperament and judgement for the trade.

There is abundant evidence for that view but it masks a harder truth that the Liberal Party must face, or be condemned to years of Opposition. .....


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/25/2752718.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 24 Nov, 2009 07:14 pm
Oh. They want to send Turnbull "a message". That's what all this is about, is it? Neutral Surprised Confused

Quote:
... Sources have told smh.com.au that Mr Andrews does not expect to win but believes Mr Turnbull needs to be sent a message that he is too arrogant.

"Neither Hockey nor Abbott have the guts to stick their hands up so someone has to," an MP backing Mr Andrews said.

Mr Turnbull succeeded in securing party support yesterday for a deal with the Government on an emissions trading scheme, but the issue has bitterly divided the Liberal Party.

He has the numbers to "comfortably" head off any spill of the leadership, frontbencher Ian Macfarlane says.

"No, I won't be challenging for the leadership," Mr Abbott told the Nine Network.

"I think Malcolm Turnbull is a very substantial individual. We are very lucky to have him in public life."...


http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/three-quit-as-turnbull-calls--spill-20091125-jp30.html?autostart=1
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 24 Nov, 2009 08:22 pm
@msolga,
The motion on whether to declare the leadership open was defeated.
Secret ballot: 48 to 35.

Exciting stuff. Neutral



So back to Wilson Turkey for more undermining, back-stabbing, etc, till the desired outcome has been achieved, I guess?

msolga
 
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Reply Tue 24 Nov, 2009 08:26 pm
@msolga,
Why would anyone want to be leader of Oz Liberal Party?
Seriously.
What a dysfunctional rabble.
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 26 Nov, 2009 10:51 pm
.... And still the mad drama within the ranks of the Libs continues! I thought Malcom's speech last night was very courageous ... I men, if you know that you're gonna die, why not go out with a bang! Saying what you really believe?
Someone should make a mini series about this week! Wink

(at times like this, I really miss hinge. I just know I wouldn't be the only one showing interest in these incredible, crazy Liberal acrobatics if he was still around. And he would know some fresh (or as yet unrevealed dirt) that I hadn't heard about yet! Wink )


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/27/2755460.htm
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 27 Nov, 2009 02:00 am
@msolga,
<Sighing extra heavily>
I'm very aware I'm just talking to myself on this thread these days, but, but, but ..... Sad
BUT ... if we can't have a half-decent opposition, how can we expect integrity from this government?
These questions about climate change & what we, as Australians, intend to do about it in our own country are so critical.
So far the reactions from our government & the opposition .. they really make me despair for future generations.
dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 27 Nov, 2009 04:21 am
@msolga,
I'm here!!!

What'm I, chopped liver?

Sad
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 27 Nov, 2009 04:31 am
@dlowan,
Of course you're not!

Perish the thought, bunny features!

But, ya know, I talk to myself a lot of the time here, on this dead thread.

<mutter, mutter, mutter>
dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 27 Nov, 2009 04:34 am
@msolga,
I agree he was brave.

And yes, what a show.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 27 Nov, 2009 04:43 am
@dlowan,
And he'll go down in glorious flames!!!

The extreme right of the Australian Liberal Party is as nutty (& as unrealistic, in the face reality) as the extreme right of the Republican Party of the US of A!

They're completely out of touch & can't adjust to the reality: their big, glorious moment (Bush, Howard) is over. They were rejected by the voters.

msolga
 
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Reply Fri 27 Nov, 2009 04:54 am
@msolga,
... & they are consigning the Liberal Party to No Man's Land.

Which (strange as it is for me to say) is a pretty sad thing for Oz politics.

A government needs a half decent opposition to keep it on its toes .. to keep it honest with the electorate.

And sadly, I think the Liberal Party disarray will make the Rudd government even more sloppy than it is now. Really, Labor does not deserve its 60% + opinion poll ratings. It's only because the opposition is so incredibly abysmal. There is no real alternative, that's all.
dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 27 Nov, 2009 05:37 am
@msolga,
Nah...they'll sort themselves out.

Remember Labor at this point after the 1996 election?
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