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Oz election thread #3 - Rudd's Labour

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jul, 2009 02:46 am
@dadpad,
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China is buying Australia’s Iron Ore by the ship load and will soon be shipping it back to us in the form of a double cab ute. News has just come through that the first Chinese automotive brand to debut in Australia will be Great Wall Motor or GWM.


Imported Chinese utes?! Shocked

Streuth, is nothing scared?

What's wrong with good ol Aussie utes?

Can't see the cow cockies in Great Wall Motor utes, somehow. Crikey, what next?

Wink

dadpad
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jul, 2009 03:02 am
@msolga,
Apparently they will retail for under 20 thousand. I suspect they will get more than a passing glance at that price.
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jul, 2009 03:13 am
@dadpad,
I'd say you're right! Gosh, that's cheap!
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jul, 2009 08:17 pm
I have been really strong this morning, in support of our Ignore Malcolm campaign. Resisted a strong urge to post a funny cartoon commenting on you-know-who's recent visit to you-know-where ...

... but moving right along ... Here's Uncle Paul, again! Surprise! !! Laughing

Anyway, I thought he had an interesting perspective on Australia's relationship with China, related to the Rudd government's approach to "security". I'd be interested in any responses to his views.:


Goodwill fosters security
Paul Keating
July 3, 2009/the AGE


http://images.theage.com.au/2009/07/02/614882/svOPED_JULY3-200x0.jpg

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....The fact is, Australia does not know and cannot divine what sort of new order might obtain as Chinese economic and military power grows in the face of relative American decline. And complicating that assessment, China is rising in the company of other rising regional powers. A region of this kind might turn out to be as peaceful and as prosperous for Australia as the one we have had since the end of the Vietnam War; a place where all powers have a role and where Australia is open to have whatever relationship it wants with any of them. But then again the region may become more problematic. This is why a defence policy is a must-have contingency against adverse developments. But it has to be woven into a view of the region and that view can only be encapsulated within a foreign policy. Co-operative regionalism must be the hallmark of an Australian foreign policy in these new times. We should never return to a posture of fear or reaction of the kind that prevailed during the Menzies years, nor should we look to position ourselves as a comfortable accessory tucked under someone else's armpit.


http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/goodwill-fosters-security-20090702-d6fm.html?page=-1
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jul, 2009 02:32 am
OK, so none of you folk want to talk about Uncle Paul & his thoughts about our relationship with China! I can tell, you know, when one of my brilliant suggestions for discussion doesn't exactly appeal! Wink

So somebody else better start talking about something else, or ....... I'll start on Malcolm again ... And then you'll all be really, really sorry!


OK?

You have been warned.
Wilso
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jul, 2009 03:48 am
I wouldn't think there'd be too many people in Oz politics would have a better read on China than Kevin Rudd!
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jul, 2009 03:50 am
@Wilso,
But he's keeping his special insight very close to his chest, wouldn't you say, Wilso?
Wilso
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jul, 2009 04:56 am
@msolga,
msolga wrote:

But he's keeping his special insight very close to his chest, wouldn't you say, Wilso?


He was in the foreign service. Diplomatic people generally do keep things very close.
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jul, 2009 05:08 am
@Wilso,
Wink

The point of Paul Keating's argument was that the Oz (Labor) government shouldn't necessarily engage in a defensive (increase in military capability) response to China's growing power in the region ...
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jul, 2009 07:03 am
@msolga,
I was very impressed by Uncle Paul's speech.
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jul, 2009 07:30 am
@dlowan,
You only said that so I wouldn't talk about Malcolm.
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jul, 2009 07:30 am
Wink
dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jul, 2009 10:43 am
@msolga,
No...I just can't sit long enough to type a decent discussion.
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jul, 2009 05:23 pm
@dlowan,
... which must frustrate the hell out of you, Deb! When you have all these things you'd like to say say, but can't sit still long enough to say them!

Here's hoping that troublesome back of yours improves very soon!
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jul, 2009 03:06 am
More on our relationship with China. How many different theories did you come across in the media today about why Stern Hu was being held by Chinese authorities?
A pretty extraordinary state of affairs, hey? Imagine how he would have been treated if he really HAD been spying ...? state secrets & all that. Doesn't bear thinking about! Shocked
It'll be interesting to see what Kevin Rudd's next (public) move will be. A lot of pressure being applied for action:


Consular staff meet detained Rio exec
By China correspondent Stephen McDonell and staff/ABC news online
Posted 1 hour 45 minutes ago
Updated 1 hour 33 minutes ago


Consular officials have met the Australian Rio Tinto executive detained in China for the first time since he was arrested on Sunday on spying allegations.

Chinese authorities have accused Rio Tinto executive Stern Hu of bribing employees of Chinese steel companies during the latest round of iron ore price negotiations.



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Consular officials were not allowed to see him until today.

Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull says the Prime Minister should demand Chinese authorities either charge Mr Hu or release him immediately.

"That is a fundamental denial of basic human rights. It is not acceptable and the Chinese government has to be told by our Government that it is not acceptable, and it is the Prime Minister's job to do that," he said.

But Foreign Affairs Minister Stephen Smith says the Government has to respect China's laws.

"There is a limit to what Australia can do," he said.

"Under Chinese law, which is what we're dealing with, a person can be detained for some time without charge, and only when he is charged is he eligible to get legal representation.

"That is the Chinese system. It differs markedly from our own."

Trade Minister Simon Crean will talk to officials in Shanghai about Mr Hu's case tomorrow.


'State secrets'

Mr Hu, the head of Rio Tinto's Shanghai operations, is accused of receiving commercially sensitive information on iron ore price negotiations.

According to reports in the Chinese media, which quotes sources within the secretive State Security Bureau, Mr Hu and three other Rio Tinto employees received secret data relating to the bottom line of China's iron ore price negotiating team.

This reportedly included the leaking of minutes from secret meetings..... <cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/10/2622819.htm
Wilso
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jul, 2009 02:36 pm
@msolga,
msolga wrote:


It'll be interesting to see what Kevin Rudd's next (public) move will be. A lot of pressure being applied for action


Most of that pressure seems to be coming from the Liberal party. The same party that was in power when Schappelle Corby was facing somewhat dubious charges. I don't remember a lot of pressure being applied in that case. Not that I don't believe that this case isn't inexorably tied to Chinalco's inability to get a rather large stake in Rio, but why should this guy get special treatment that no other Australian in trouble abroad gets. Yet more putrid hypocrisy and opportunistic politics from the conservatives - slime sucking scum that they are.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jul, 2009 07:57 pm
@Wilso,
... & it's about business ... on the free market (ha!) , Wilso! Governments are not supposed to intervene in these things!

Seriously, though ... who knows what this is actually all about? But something tells me it is not about state secrets & "spying"! Wink
It would help if the Chinese government had been a bit more forthcoming about the actual charges. (Are there actually formal charges yet?) A bit rude to keep someone locked up like this without formal charges. And this fellow is an Australian citizen, so .... the Australian government should be involved.
Wilso
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jul, 2009 08:07 pm
@msolga,
msolga wrote:

... & it's about business ... on the free market (ha!) , Wilso! Governments are not supposed to intervene in these things!

Seriously, though ... who knows what this is actually all about? But something tells me it is not about state secrets & "spying"! Wink
It would help if the Chinese government had been a bit more forthcoming about the actual charges. (Are there actually formal charges yet?) A bit rude to keep someone locked up like this without formal charges. And this fellow is an Australian citizen, so .... the Australian government should be involved.


Yes they should. But they should be involved every time an Australian has problems with a dubious regime. Not just when it's the Liberal party's big business mates.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jul, 2009 08:45 pm
@Wilso,
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But they should be involved every time an Australian has problems with a dubious regime. Not just when it's the Liberal party's big business mates.


Yes indeed. And there wasn't much support from either party (till Labor saw how strong community sentiment was during an election year), when David Hicks was held, without trial, for over 5 years by Australia's No 1 ally, hey? Wink

Today's AGE editorial:Beware the pitfalls amid profits in China:

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/editorial/beware-the-pitfalls-amid-profits-in-china-20090710-dfzk.html?page=-1
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jul, 2009 09:30 pm
Men & women of Australia ....
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http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/07/05/goughwhitlam_wideweb__470x322,0.jpg

Happy birthday to you
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Happy birthday, comrade!
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