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Oz election thread #3 - Rudd's Labour

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2009 08:45 pm
@Wilso,
I'm even more convinced that employers are being very short-sighted. It's how good you are at your job that should be the most important factor, not age (unless it's an important factor in your ability to do the job). I can see why you're very concerned, in the circumstances.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Sat 23 May, 2009 10:23 pm
In answer to a previous question, I can say that yes, I am quickly becoming disillusioned with this Labor government. I've learned today that they've cut the rebate for cataract surgery, and reduced the contribution to IVF treatment. And the taxing of share plans for those earning over $60000, is going to affect hundreds of thousands of ordinary workers.
And some facts about the pension rise. With a number of other benefits that they've cut, the real pension rise comes out to something like $7 a week.
genoves
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 12:05 am
Rudd Going From Bad to Worse on Climate
Just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse …

Yesterday the government performed a policy back flip on its emissions trading scheme. Unfortunately the acrobatic feat landed us even further in the mire. Instead of showing some much needed leadership, Prime Minister Rudd delayed and watered down his already dismal plans. It couldn’t have been easy to undermine something that was already useless, but somehow, he has done exactly that.

The changes could have been written by lobbyists from the coal industry. In fact, they probably were… a cap on carbon prices of only $10 a tonne for the first year, a one-year delay to the introduction of the carbon pollution reduction scheme, and yet more free permits to pollute. It’s Christmas come early for the big polluters.

The one supposed olive branch to the environmental movement was an increase in the emissions targets, which Australia will take to the global climate talks in Copenhagen in December this year.

But while an increased ‘conditional’ target of 5-25% emissions cuts may seem like an improvement, climate science shows that we need 50% cuts by 2020 to even give us a fighting chance of avoiding the worst effects of climate change.The government will call us extremist as they have the Greens, but our calls for change are based on what the science demands, rather than political compromise.

You have to wonder how this move will be viewed abroad. With an unambitious emissions target stymied by a raft of provisos, the only clear message Rudd is sending is that we will are waiting for everyone else to make emissions reductions first. It hardly augurs well for the strong global deal required.Kevin Rudd is clinging to the past as though it will provide some kind of lifeline in this time of global financial crisis. But inaction and delay are the last things we need now, for the sake of our own economy and the environment.

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dadpad
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 12:21 am
Vote with you feet and install your own electricity generation units, either solar, wind or water your choice.
genoves
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 12:48 am
@dadpad,
Well, dadpad, I tried solar but there were too many cloudy days and the equipment necessary to store energy was too expensive.

I tried to purchase a wind turbine generator but I was told that the company in Great Britan had just closed down.

So I wrote to my Congressman to press for a new Nuclear plant to generate more electricity in my area.

I was told that President BO was opposed to Nuclear Energy. He has been afraid of Nuclear Energy ever since he saw Hanoi Jane's movie about it.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 04:41 am
@Wilso,
Interesting, Wilso. Me, I don't like the Rudd "presidential" style much. We elected the Labor Party, not President Rudd. I don't like any one member of parliament having that much say about what goes. Especially a Labor prime minister who doesn't appear to have a thing about "the light on the hill"! Wink
I have problems with his attitude toward the unemployed (especially since his own family has made such huge amounts money off the backs of the unemployed). Downright mean spirited & unfeeling. The unemployed have to survive this recession, too. And on a pittance. I think he has a real blind spot here. There are going to be a lot more of them soon, too!
I think the education policy would do a conservative government proud. And not a very bright conservative government, either ... why do we slavishly follow what's already been done o/s? Especially when what happened o/s was not exactly great shakes. I'm also concerned about the government's response to global warming & a few other policies ....
I would like to see a genuine "needs based" approach to be taken to all government distribution of funds ... everything from health insurance, public hospitals, schools, etc, pensions .. etc, etc .... but I can concede that this is a big ask, in the short term .... the Oz middle class & super wealthy became very attached to their Howard handouts & seem to see them as an entitlement now. Sigh.
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genoves
 
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Reply Mon 25 May, 2009 02:07 am
Rudd Going From Bad to Worse on Climate
Just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse …

Yesterday the government performed a policy back flip on its emissions trading scheme. Unfortunately the acrobatic feat landed us even further in the mire. Instead of showing some much needed leadership, Prime Minister Rudd delayed and watered down his already dismal plans. It couldn’t have been easy to undermine something that was already useless, but somehow, he has done exactly that.

The changes could have been written by lobbyists from the coal industry. In fact, they probably were… a cap on carbon prices of only $10 a tonne for the first year, a one-year delay to the introduction of the carbon pollution reduction scheme, and yet more free permits to pollute. It’s Christmas come early for the big polluters.

The one supposed olive branch to the environmental movement was an increase in the emissions targets, which Australia will take to the global climate talks in Copenhagen in December this year.

But while an increased ‘conditional’ target of 5-25% emissions cuts may seem like an improvement, climate science shows that we need 50% cuts by 2020 to even give us a fighting chance of avoiding the worst effects of climate change.The government will call us extremist as they have the Greens, but our calls for change are based on what the science demands, rather than political compromise.

You have to wonder how this move will be viewed abroad. With an unambitious emissions target stymied by a raft of provisos, the only clear message Rudd is sending is that we will are waiting for everyone else to make emissions reductions first. It hardly augurs well for the strong global deal required.Kevin Rudd is clinging to the past as though it will provide some kind of lifeline in this time of global financial crisis. But inaction and delay are the last things we need now, for the sake of our own economy and the environment.

msolga
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2009 01:02 am
@genoves,
genoves

I agree it's very disappointing. But I'm also wondering what exactly is possible with such a hostile senate.

I assume that your post was a quote from an online news article. If so, could you tell us the source, please?
genoves
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2009 01:06 am
@msolga,
Of c ourse, Msolga.
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genoves
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2009 01:20 am
msolga- see

http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalcapital/2009/05/04/backing-down-down-under-economic-crisis-whacks-australias-climate-plans/
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2009 01:27 am
Here's a dilemma. What should the Australian government do in this situation? The US request is about the proposed resettlement of 6 (of 17 - detained for 6 years at Guantanamo Bay ) Uighurs from China, who were cleared by the US authorities of of being enemy combatants long ago. Beijing has made it clear that that it does not want Australia to resettle them. However the US says if they are returned to China they could be executed by the government. So Australia seems to be "the meat in the sandwich" between the wishes the two most powerful nations on earth. And I wonder why, if these detainees have been found to be innocent & have been held in detention for so long, that they cannot be resettled within the US? Why is that too difficult? But there is also the question of whether Australia should feel obliged to resettle any of the detainees at Guantanamo Bay. Should we feel under an obligation (as an ally) to comply with such US requests?:

Obama pressures Rudd over Gitmo inmates
Phillip Coorey Chief Political Correspondent
May 30, 2009/SMH


http://images.smh.com.au/2009/05/29/547105/guantanamo-420x0.jpg
Protest ... the US will not send the Uighurs to China. Photo: AFP


THE Federal Government says it will consider a request by the US President, Barack Obama, for Australia to resettle some of the detainees in the Guantanamo Bay prison camp.

Quote:
It is believed the request was made a week ago by the US embassy to the Prime Minister's senior adviser on foreign affairs, defence and national security, Philip Green.

It is the third request by the US - but the first by Mr Obama - for Australia to help close the prison camp set up by the Bush administration to house captives in the "war on terrorism".

It is understood the detainees in question are six Uighurs, who are Muslims from north-western China. Australia refused in January to accept them after a similar request from the Bush administration in December - the second time a Bush administation request about Guantanamo inmates was rebuffed.

The 17 Uighurs still in the prison camp have been held for more than six years. US authorities long ago cleared them of being enemy combatants, but will not send them back to China for fear they will be tortured or executed.

It was later revealed that Australia refused to accept any of the Uighurs after being lobbied by Beijing, which considers the men terrorists.

Mr Obama's request presents the Government with a dilemma of balancing the concerns of the Chinese and the US.

The Foreign Affairs Minister, Stephen Smith, confirmed yesterday that a request had been received and said each prisoner would be assessed individually.

"The Australian Government will consider this request, on a case-by-case basis, and in accordance with the Government's strict immigration and national security requirements," he said.

Soon after his inauguration in January, Mr Obama signed an executive order to close down Guantanamo Bay within a year. About 60 of the 240 detainees have been cleared for release, but face persecution if repatriated.

Geoffrey Garrett, the chief executive of the United States Studies Centre within the University of Sydney, said Mr Obama's symbolic promises such as closing Guantanamo were proving difficult to implement.

Professor Garrett said it was unsurprising that the US would lean on its closest allies for help.

He said accepting the detainees could be domestically unpopular and he did not envisage any damage to the US relationship, should the request be rejected, because it was structurally sound.


http://www.smh.com.au/national/obama-pressures-rudd-over-gitmo-inmates-20090529-bq8c.html
genoves
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2009 01:39 am
msolga--The Congress of the United States will not allow prisoners from GITMO to be resettled in the USA because their constituents are dead set against it.
Note:
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2009 01:44 am
@genoves,
Really, genoves? Surprised Even those found to be innocent? And they expect their allies to? Now that's what I call a bit rich! What a cheek! Laughing
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2009 01:46 am
@msolga,
And what about laws/concern regarding the rights of detainess wrongly imprisoned by the US for so long?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2009 02:32 am
@msolga,
Good grief yes. How DARE the US pressure ANYONE to take them?

That being said, I think it reasonable that Oz looks at these folk IF they apply to come here, as we would anyone else looking for refugee status.
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2009 02:54 am
@dlowan,
Yes, you've gotta laugh, Deb. What are US allies prepared to wear so that the sensitive US public doesn't come into any contact with any of this (innocent, even!) riff raff from Guantanamo! Oh Please! Rolling Eyes

Gives ya that ol' penal colony feeling, sort of, hey? Wink

Yes, indeed. Refugees are refugees & should be treated as such by our country.
dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2009 02:58 am
@msolga,
Of course, if it wouldn't be so awful for them, (the ex-illegally detained) all the Guantanamo and other US gulag folk ought to be re-located to live next to Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, and all the gutless whore lawyers who said the torture gulag archipelago was legal.

Perhaps 50 or so for Howard's spare bedrooms?

After all, he supported the goddam outrage.
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2009 03:36 am
@genoves,
Thanks for that, genoves. Missed it earlier, sorry. I wanted to see if it was from a local (Oz) source, or from elsewhere. Interesting!
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2009 03:43 am
@dlowan,
Quote:
Of course, if it wouldn't be so awful for them, (the ex-illegally detained) all the Guantanamo and other US gulag folk ought to be re-located to live next to Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, and all the gutless whore lawyers who said the torture gulag archipelago was legal.

Perhaps 50 or so for Howard's spare bedrooms?

After all, he supported the goddam outrage.


Twisted Evil Yes, yes, yes, Deb, to all the above!

That's what I would call "taking responsibility" for one's action & decisions! Wink But of course, Guantanamo detainees & what happens to them next would not be of much concern or interest to these folk! (Bastards!)
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2009 05:11 am
@dlowan,
Quote:
That being said, I think it reasonable that Oz looks at these folk IF they apply to come here, as we would anyone else looking for refugee status.


I was just thinking .... if they did (if they have any say in the matter) apply for refuge status in Oz, would that make them technically refugees from the US/Guantanamo?
 

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