water softener replacement

Big Dog wrote:

Do all Clack valves require that an adapter be used? If not, please explain why an adapter was specified instead of using a valve that was compatible with this tank. I would think that the tanks and valves would be somewhat standardized, in order to eliminate the need for unnecessary parts. A 4" opening in a tank is huge. Is this a situation where an industrial tank was mated with a residential valve? I'm just trying to understand what necessitated this situation.

Thanks
Phil

For some reason I didn't see your post or justalurker's reply before I replied last night but, I did use a compatible valve with the right size tank, here's how.

Clack makes 1", 1.25", 1.5 and 2" inlet/outlet control valves and is going to 3" whenever. Each control valve has a spec sheet telling dealers, justalurker is not a dealer, what size tanks that control valve can be used for if making a softener or backwashed or regenerated filter.

The Clack WS-1 is a 1" inlet/outlet control valve, with an 8 threads/inch 2.5" dia base.

BTW, there are bolted bases for a flanged tank or a flanged tank adapter.

The Clack WS-1 valve can be used on tanks from 6"-21" diameter for either a softener or any type of filter.

No tank manufacture makes a tank with a 2.5" opening larger than a 13" diameter; larger diameter tanks are 4" until they go to 6". There are no 6" base control valves to my knowledge, you use an adapter.

A 3.0 cuft softener was required and that and a 3.5 cuft softener requires a 14" x 65" tank.

No control valve manufacturer makes a 4" base control valve any smaller than a 1.5" inlet/outlet control valve.

A 3 cuft softener, and the house the softener was installed in, does not require a 1.5" control valve. But if it/they did, I would have used it, or the 1.25" or 2.0" Clack etc..

Also, justalurker and h20man are either lying or don't know that some tanks come with a 6" flanged hole and no control valve is made with any larger than a 4" base...

So there's another tank adapter they would say shouldn't be used but... they need to call around to local dealers and see how many they find that stock a 4" x 2.5" or 6" x 4" adapter.

They also say I shouldn't be selling such large softeners for installation in houses! That's because they don't know how to correctly size a softener based on the peak demand gpm flow rate required.

They say anything they can think of to make me look wrong. Houses come in various sqft sizes with various numbers of bathrooms which mean higher gpm water flow rates.

We should ask them why wouldn't a softener have to be sized to cover those higher flow rates?

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There is a segment of the population that will buy the cheapest thing they can find online.
I'm sure you could sell and drop ship do it yourself heart surgery kits to a small number of people if the price was less than traditional health care.
The number of people that buy H2O equipment online is insignificant when compared to reported sales and installations industry wide.

The Clack valve is a Fleck design intended to be the next generation Fleck valve.
It was intended to be sold and installed by H2O specialist.
The Clack valve was not made to be sold online and drop shipped to end users.

Gary Slusser wrote:

Also, justalurker and h20man are either lying or don't know that some tanks come with a 6" flanged hole and no control valve is made with any larger than a 4" base...

LOL!

. . . You ("Gary Slusser") are an idiot!

You spread lies in failed attempts to make yourself look superior.
You are very successful in proving to everyone that you are an idiot.

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justalurker wrote:

No, the Clack is a standard 2.5" mount intended for common residential sized media tanks with a 2.5" attachment and does not require any adapter to mate with the corresponding sized mineral tank

Show us where Structural defines a 14" tank as anything other than "common residential sized".

Do you know who makes the adapters?

justalurker wrote:

Every listing I can find on the internet shows and recommends larger commercial sized media tanks with a 4" opening mated with a corresponding commercial control valve with a 4" attachment.

Show us the links.

justalurker wrote:

Among the reasons (excuses?) for using a smaller valve and adapter on a larger mineral tank that immediately occur to me are...

* the absolute cheapest way to do the job... 4" mount commercial control valves cost much more than a 2.5" control valve

* Gary loves the Clack WS1 so much he'll recommend it's use in less than optimum circumstances such as using an adapter

* not knowing any better

The right size is the right size and NO adapter should always be preferred.

I'm sure that Gary will be along to offer his explanation...

Yeah every time I see you giving bad advice I show up.

The Clack WS-1 has a 27 gpm flow rate and can backwash up to 21" diameter tanks.

A 3 cuft softener has a continuous service flow rate of 22 gpm. There is no need for a 4" base and larger valve except in your mind. And if you disagree, prove your claim with facts instead of your opinion or what you think someone told you.

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H2O_MAN wrote:

The Clack valve is a Fleck design intended to be the next generation Fleck valve.
It was intended to be sold and installed by H2O specialist.
The Clack valve was not made to be sold online and drop shipped to end users.

I have a letter from Clack saying differently.

Gary Slusser wrote:

Also, justalurker and h20man are either lying or don't know that some tanks come with a 6" flanged hole and no control valve is made with any larger than a 4" base...

H2O_MAN wrote:

LOL! . . . You ("Gary Slusser") are an idiot!

You spread lies in failed attempts to make yourself look superior.
You are very successful in proving to everyone that you are an idiot.

Since you are the guy calling a Fleck 5000/ProFlo a "bastardized Fleck 5600" for years.... show me, actually give a name/model of a control valve with a 6" base that is not using an adapter so I can check it out.

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You can't even get that right you idiot!
I mistakingly claimed the RainSoft Gold and Silver series was based on the Fleck 5600.
It turns out that the RainSoft Gold and Silver series is based on the Fleck 5000.
This mistake was pointed out to me by a third party - not you.

This is old news - move on.

Gary Slusser wrote:

I have a letter from Clack saying differently.

Prove it. Show us this letter in it's entirety.

Show us were I ever said adapters were not available/used to reduce a 6" flanged hole.
I have a few sitting in my shop that I removed and replaced with better equipment.

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So you didn't get the letter. I did and I can imagine why you haven't.

I did point out your mistake when softenerparts said it was a 5000, not a bastardized 5600 valve as you had clqaimed for years here and you said he was wrong and you called me an idiot or some such until you looked it up but, I'm not going off looking for the thread now. A simple search for softenerparts' posts will produce it though.

What you said about not using a 4" adapter is in this thread above. Now you say you know about 6" adapters. What valve do you use with a 6" flanged tank? Just give me a name like I said before.

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Post that letter you claim to have.

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I'll give you more on the letter when you tell me a model of valve with a 6" base.

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Gary Slusser wrote:

I'll give you more on the letter when you tell me a model of valve with a 6" base.

Gary, I ain't never seen anyone so **** all stupid as you - you are 'bout as dumb as a sack of hammers.

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While you angrily keep replying to my posts.... fool.

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