m3m3m3 wrote: Gary Slusser wrote:
Then read all the posts here about water softeners and learn how to correctly size a softener yourself.
huh? I was just looking for some advice.
From searching the forums, it really seems alot of ppl are having problems with Rainsoft. But they are referring to older units....is it still true with newer units?
As water softener specialists, what are your experiences with Kinetico? Thanks in advance!
That was good advice that will serve you well unless you want to rely on gossip and then become a victim of a local softener salesman that shows up and does their damnedest over a few hours to sell you one of their high priced softeners.
Here are some comments
about Kinetico softeners.
The Kinetico is an alternating twin tank type softener. The vast majority of homes do not need a twin tank type softener. Sized correctly and using the same type and volume of resin, Kinetico uses Sybron C-249 regular and fine mesh resins, any softener will have the same salt efficiency.
AND if you count up their daily regenerations times whatever gallons of water they use for each regeneration, and then compare it to say a softener regenerating only once every 8 days, the Kinetico will use more total water and usually more salt.
All twin tank type softeners cause you to share your water pressure with the water flow to drain of the softener every time one of the tanks regenerates. You have to be using water to get any of them to regenerate.
Kinetico was recently sold to a French company and IIRC the article stated the number of dealers at roughly 500. I could look that up if needed.
H20man is just outside Atlanta GA and says there is no Kinetico dealer in his local area. I'm currently in PA, was born here and know the surrounding area and have sold and serviced water treatment equipment here in 7-8 counties for 20 years. The closest and only Kinetico dealers, two of them, are roughly 30 miles apart (north south) and 45 miles west of here. For 13 years I lived 7 miles from the one to the south and about 22 miles south of the one to the north of there. I competed very well with both of them. I two sell twin tank softeners, using three Fleck control valves. And now a pair of softeners using Clack control valves with an alternating controller. As far as twins go, that pair can not be beat by any other twin tank type softener.
The population within a 50 mile radius of my location is roughly 500,000. Two thirds of those people will have their own wells. That's more than large enough to allow 3-4 additional Kinetico dealers. There are reasons they don't have more. Both of those dealers can sell exactly the same Autotrol, Clack, Erie and Fleck that I do. Both sell Fleck.
In the same area there are many plumbers, well drillers, big box stores, pump and plumbing supply houses and at least three dozen other dealers selling water treatment equipment including softeners. And some here say I can't compete....
I say learn all you can about softeners and learn how to size one, then decide if you want to be a DIYer and repair your softener when needed or want to be dependent on a local dealer at their prices. If you want to be a DIYer, then look for a softener with a Clack WS-1 control valve on it. That would be a good choice if you stay local too. Any dealer selling Autotrol, Fleck or Erie can get Clack or it's parts, if they want to. Sad fact is dumb local dealers normally don't want to service anything they didn't sell.