Don't tell me there's any proof for creationism.

real life wrote:

What exactly is it about gathering together ('organized' religion) that you consider makes religion 'impure' ?

It's not so much the "gathering" together of people which annoys me, as much as the focus on the dogma of religion in favor of the deeper meanings of the various religions. I think too many people, even in their own religion lose sight of the core things their religion was trying to promote and focus instead on the rules and rituals. Fundamentalism also annoys me because it's so obviously irrational and potentially dangerous.

I think you're confusing 'dogma' with rituals.

What specific belief of 'Fundamentalism' do you consider 'dangerous'?

real life wrote:

I think you're confusing 'dogma' with rituals.

Possibly. But you'll notice that I also used the phrase "rules and rituals" in my post, so I'm taking a bit of a broad-brush to the statement.

real life wrote:

What specific belief of 'Fundamentalism' do you consider 'dangerous'?

It's not so much the beliefs of fundamentalism which are dangerous, as much as the radical behaviors and inherent isolation of thought which are dangerous.

If the beliefs aren't dangerous, then it must be people going AGAINST those beliefs that you consider dangerous.

What specific belief of 'Fundamentalism' do you consider 'dangerous'?

Real Life asked:

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What specific belief of 'Fundamentalism' do you consider 'dangerous'?

The belief that a supernatural being speaks to them.

That belief then underpins any action taken in order to be in compliance with the words of the supernatural being and greater respect is demanded for those actions even when those actions are clearly unethical.

Want examples? They are probably too numerous to list, but only ask.

The odd thing thing is this: if a person were to arrive at a hospital ER claiming that God had told him he could heal all the sick, that person would be admitted for treatment, psychiatric observation and evaluation. During his stay he could flip on his tv and watch any number of fundamentalist preachers make the same claim over the airwaves and be believed as if the claim was true and real.

Joe(Did you hear those voices, Pastor, Mullah, Monsignor, Your Holiness?)Nation

Upon what basis you claim ANYONE'S actions to be 'unethical' since you believe that moral decisions are individually determined, not universal or absolute?

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Upon what basis you claim ANYONE'S actions to be 'unethical' since you believe that moral decisions are individually determined, not universal or absolute?

um. not me, brother.

Where did you get that idea?

Joe(something I said or something that God told you I said?)Nation

PS I noticed you are dodging as usual.

That belief then underpins any action taken in order to be in compliance with the words of the supernatural being and greater respect is demanded for those actions even when those actions are clearly unethical.

PS I noticed you are dodging as usual.

Get to the back of the line. I'm still waiting on answers from a post that will soon be 4 MONTHS old!

TheCorrectResponse wrote:

Get to the back of the line. I'm still waiting on answers from a post that will soon be 4 MONTHS old!

Ok Mr. 437 posts I think Joe and I have probably been watching RL trip over his own posts for a lot longer than this thread has been alive.

But you're welcome to wait in line with us.

real life wrote:

If the beliefs aren't dangerous, then it must be people going AGAINST those beliefs that you consider dangerous.

No, it's people taking those beliefs to an extreme. That's why they're called "extremists".

rosborne979 wrote:

real life wrote:

If the beliefs aren't dangerous, then it must be people going AGAINST those beliefs that you consider dangerous.

No, it's people taking those beliefs to an extreme. That's why they're called "extremists".

Why don't you make up your mind, ros?

real life wrote:

rosborne979 wrote:

real life wrote:

If the beliefs aren't dangerous, then it must be people going AGAINST those beliefs that you consider dangerous.

No, it's people taking those beliefs to an extreme. That's why they're called "extremists".

Why don't you make up your mind, ros?

As usual you're the only one who doesn't get it RL. Yet you try to blame me for not being clear. I guess we should add playing-the-fool to your list of diversionary tactics.

Am I mistaken in saying that you do not believe in moral absolutes?

If you do not, then any moral or ethical judgements are merely your opinion, are they not?

So why would violating your opinion qualify someone as 'dangerous'?

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Am I mistaken in saying that you do not believe in moral absolutes?

If you do not, then any moral or ethical judgements are merely your opinion, are they not?

So why would violating your opinion qualify someone as 'dangerous'?

Oh, dear, I don't think RL has any idea of how a society of humans interact. If he did he wouldn't make statements like that quoted above.....

......RL asked what beliefs were dangerous, I answered, but he feinted, so I will say it again differently.

One thing some of us have learned through experience is that any words following the phrase "God tells us .... ." will be false, because those first three words are a lie.

Joe(a figment of their machinations)Nation

You now want to simply assert the nonexistence of God as your objection.

.....this remark of yours is clear evidence either of your confusion about the meaning of straightforward remarks in English, or your willingness to willfully deceive.

Joe's remark was: One thing some of us have learned through experience is that any words following the phrase "God tells us .... ." will be false, because those first three words are a lie.

You cite your 'experience' as your authority.

Is anything that you personally (or you and those you handpick) have not experienced then ruled fictitious?

Why are your experiences valid, while the experiences of others who differ are not?

So, whether or not Joe believes there is a god, this statement is simply that he does not believe that anyone knows what "god" tells us.