It is generally believed that a kick from on outside energy source can also cause the change. The problem with the white-earth model, and I believe the reason some scientists are having a problem with the scenario ROS is discussing, is that it can be demonstrated mathematically that any cycle in phase space that can be shown to repeat itself exactly will forever repeat itself. If they believe that the hypothesis ROS is describing happened and is part of a repeating cycle they believe the Earth would have stayed in this state forever.
This is a short and so incomplete description of a complicated concept, but I thought it interesting.
Sorry to have brought science into this thread but ROS started it.
Hey Real, did you know the mysterious civilization that drew the ica stones (man riding a triceratops) also did organ transplants and had flying machines. And they disappeared without a trace!
Quote:The Ica stones are stones from Peru, claimed to be ancient, and engraved with unhistorical scenes of flying machines, dinosaurs, brain surgery, the use of telescopes, and other such anachronisms. They have a special appeal to those who wish to rewrite prehistory.
Provenance
There are reports of engraved stones from the area going back as early as the sixteenth century; however, the particular stones in question were "discovered" in the 1960s, when one Dr Cabrera brought them to public notice after he had bought thousands of the engraved stones from a farmer called Basilo Uschuya.
Arrested for selling antiquities, Uschuya confessed to faking the stones. On the one hand, it may be argued that if he had maintained that they were genuine, he'd have gone to prison. On the other hand, he must have done something to persuade the police that the artifacts were not genuine: it would be interesting to know what. Nor would fear of arrest explain why he should give an interview to a newspaper (Mundial, No. 6, January 17) in which he and his wife tell how they faked the stones using comic books, school books, and magazines as sources for their pictures, and aged them by leaving them in a chicken coop.
The stones have no archaeological provenance at all. They are supposed to have been found in a cave, but the location of the cave remains a secret. Offers by archaeologists to be taken there blindfolded have been rejected.
It is not possible to date the stones directly; nor is it possible to date them by studying the site where they were supposedly found, because, as noted, this is a secret. It is, however, possible to put a date on the clay figurines which have been produced along with the stones. Erich von Daniken sent one to the University of Zurich for dating and they reported that the figurine was modern. His colleague Johannes Fiebag sent two other samples to the University of Weimar who reported that the samples were "relatively young" and still contained water.
http://www.skepticwiki.org/index.php/Ica_stones
Quote:Cabrera has his own theory about the creators of the stones. His theory is based upon the premise that the stones are not a hoax. This is understandable, since, if the stones are a hoax, Cabrera is one of the key hoaxers. Cabrera's theory is that the stones depict the first Peruvian culture as an extremely advanced technological civilization. How advanced? The stones allegedly depict open-heart surgery, brain transplants, telescopes, flying machines, etc. When did they exist? They came from the Pleiades about one million years ago. How does he know this? That is anybody's guess, but you can read about it in Cabrera's book The Message of the Engraved Stones of Ica.
http://skepdic.com/icastones.html
Really Real, is this the best you can do to support your myths?
xingu wrote:Hey Real, did you know the mysterious civilization that drew the ica stones (man riding a triceratops) also did organ transplants and had flying machines. And they disappeared without a trace!
Quote:The Ica stones are stones from Peru, claimed to be ancient, and engraved with unhistorical scenes of flying machines, dinosaurs, brain surgery, the use of telescopes, and other such anachronisms. They have a special appeal to those who wish to rewrite prehistory.
Provenance
There are reports of engraved stones from the area going back as early as the sixteenth century; however, the particular stones in question were "discovered" in the 1960s, when one Dr Cabrera brought them to public notice after he had bought thousands of the engraved stones from a farmer called Basilo Uschuya.
Arrested for selling antiquities, Uschuya confessed to faking the stones. On the one hand, it may be argued that if he had maintained that they were genuine, he'd have gone to prison. On the other hand, he must have done something to persuade the police that the artifacts were not genuine: it would be interesting to know what. Nor would fear of arrest explain why he should give an interview to a newspaper (Mundial, No. 6, January 17) in which he and his wife tell how they faked the stones using comic books, school books, and magazines as sources for their pictures, and aged them by leaving them in a chicken coop.
The stones have no archaeological provenance at all. They are supposed to have been found in a cave, but the location of the cave remains a secret. Offers by archaeologists to be taken there blindfolded have been rejected.
It is not possible to date the stones directly; nor is it possible to date them by studying the site where they were supposedly found, because, as noted, this is a secret. It is, however, possible to put a date on the clay figurines which have been produced along with the stones. Erich von Daniken sent one to the University of Zurich for dating and they reported that the figurine was modern. His colleague Johannes Fiebag sent two other samples to the University of Weimar who reported that the samples were "relatively young" and still contained water.
http://www.skepticwiki.org/index.php/Ica_stones
Quote:Cabrera has his own theory about the creators of the stones. His theory is based upon the premise that the stones are not a hoax. This is understandable, since, if the stones are a hoax, Cabrera is one of the key hoaxers. Cabrera's theory is that the stones depict the first Peruvian culture as an extremely advanced technological civilization. How advanced? The stones allegedly depict open-heart surgery, brain transplants, telescopes, flying machines, etc. When did they exist? They came from the Pleiades about one million years ago. How does he know this? That is anybody's guess, but you can read about it in Cabrera's book The Message of the Engraved Stones of Ica.
http://skepdic.com/icastones.html
Really Real, is this the best you can do to support your myths?
Is it simply coincidental that cultures from around the globe depict dino-like critters in their art?
Or do you think ancient man knew what dinos looked like because they reconstructed skeletons of dinosaurs in their spare time?
Both you and Thomas responded, 'well we already KNOW how old they are, so why test it?'
Ros,
Well a little farther back in the thread I asked you about the soft tissue found in dinosaur bones, but you brushed it off.
This has been found in dozens of dinos now, from numerous locations.
These samples should be tested for C14, but I'm sure they won't be.
Both you and Thomas responded, 'well we already KNOW how old they are, so why test it?'
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To answer parados' question, yes if you take the worst and most eroded examples, as you've done, they could also represent something other than a dinosaur.
But some of them are pretty tough to brush off. The easy ones you've chosen aren't.
Keep choosing the easy ones, parados. It'll make you feel better.
xingu wants to pretend that creationists faked every one of them. Keep pretending.
If only ONE of the thousands of examples is truly evidence of ancient man living contemporaneously with dinos, then you're still incorrect.
The odds aren't good for you, xingu.
real life wrote:Both you and Thomas responded, 'well we already KNOW how old they are, so why test it?'
No, that's not what I responded. Please make an effort to read posts before you paraphrase them.
