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Dept Veteran Affairs: Denial of burial plot benefits for dad

 
 
Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 09:09 pm
I've sent this denial of benefits form off to the funeral director and my dad's brother who applied for this benefit for me at the time we buried my dad a few months ago. At the time, I was too distraught to understand or retain much of the information that was told to me so I now have a few questions. I thought I would try to find out more information while I await a response from them.

My questions:

1. What exactly is included in the plot or interment allowance for veterans? Is this the military salute and flag presentation at his burial service? Does it cover some of the burial fees? We paid an extra $700 for a military service grave marker. Is that also being denied now?

2. The form says the claim was denied because my dad died on or after November 1, 1990, the effective date of PL 101-509, the Budget Reconciliation Act.

What is that about? I did a brief Google search and could find nothing relating to burial benefits and this Act.

3. The form also says the claim was denied because my dad was not entitled to the burial allowance or was not discharged from service due to line-of-duty disabilities.

I have no idea whether the family has any paper trail as evidence of my dad's military service. All I have are photos of him in uniform in Italy, one of him holding a newspaper with a bunch of army buddies when WW2 ended. I also have his American Legion hats and medals and a citation from the American Legion recognizing and thanking my dad for his service and long-standing membership in the American Legion.

How do I go about finding out if my dad is enitled to the burial allowance and if he is entitled, what can I do to prove he was in the service if there is no paperwork to show?

These are the photos I have and the inscription on the back of them. Does anyone see anything in the photos or inscriptions that would help me find proof that my dad has a right to those burial benefits because he is an army veteran of WW2?

http://butrfly.net/images/dadinuniform.jpg
Inscription: Barracks at Camp Stoneman, Pittsburg, CA, 1942

http://butrfly.net/DadItaly.jpg
Inscription: V-E Day in Italy. (Dad is on the left and Wayne Lovejoy is next to him holding a newspaper with banner headlines reading "Nazi Armies In Italy Surrender!" I don't know the names of the others.)



Thanks for any help you can give. I'm still pretty sensitive about my dad's death and have a difficult time dealing with any of this stuff without crying a lot. It makes it difficult to focus so I can more easily understand this stuff.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 09:14 pm
There is a base in the US that keeps the record of all army personnel past and present. The US Air Force has theirs in Colorado. You should be able to get a copy of his service period, rank, date of enlistment, and date of discharge. You should also be able to find out from the same office if he qualifies for "benefits." Good luck.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 09:16 pm
I found this.

http://www.archives.gov/st-louis/military-personnel/
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 09:18 pm
Give this link a try.

https://secure.military.com/leads/VALoanNew/ltform.jsp?ESRC=ggl_valoan_lt_vaben.kw
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fishin
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 09:45 pm
Re: Dept Veteran Affairs: Denial of burial plot benefits for
Butrflynet wrote:
Does anyone see anything in the photos or inscriptions that would help me find proof that my dad has a right to those burial benefits because he is an army veteran of WW2?


Any "proof" available in a picture isn't going to help you. You need a copy of his discharge paperwork. That is the only "proof" accepted by the VA.

The allowance must be applied for within 2 years of the person's death and I believe the amount allowed is $300. That can be increased to $2,000 if the person died due to a service related cause. But to get the benefit the person HAS to meet the criteria. Otherwise, the only burial benefit is the ability to be buried (free of charge) in a national cemetery. There is no general burial benefit for private cemeteries.

None of that has anything to do with the headstone/marker or flag. The VA will provide either a headstone or marker (the family makes the choice) free of charge. The $700 you paid is for something the funeral home sold you that had nothing to do with the VA. The flag is also provided free of charge.


http://www.vba.va.gov/benefit_facts/Burial_and_Memorial/English/Burialeg_0406.doc
http://www.educationmoney.com/prgm_64.101_vet.html
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 10:15 pm
Thanks Fishin, that link was exactly what I needed to understand what the benefits are and was in plain simple English, not governmentspeak.


c.i., thanks for the links to apply for my dad's service record.

I wonder what the $700 fee charged for obtaining the military grave marker was for...
From my understanding it is supposed to be a round metal plate with a star in the middle. I think I've seen pictures of them in one of Shewolf's links when she was trying to find info about a graveyard.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 10:48 pm
Quote:
Butrflynet wrote:
Does anyone see anything in the photos or inscriptions that would help me find proof that my dad has a right to those burial benefits because he is an army veteran of WW2?

Fishin wrote:

Any "proof" available in a picture isn't going to help you. You need a copy of his discharge paperwork. That is the only "proof" accepted by the VA.



What I was looking for in the pictures was anything that might help identify what rank, division or other army-talk stuff there might be indications of in the photos. For instance, the chevrons on his arm. What rank is that? I have no idea. I believe he was a quarter master and worked in Supply, but am not sure. Not looking to use the photos for proof, but more for a starting point for seeking more info about his military service.

Maybe my dad was the original Radar O'Reily. :wink:

I found this website about Camp Stoneman. Interesting place.

http://www.militarymuseum.org/CpStoneman.html
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 06:37 am
Sorry for your loss, Butrflynet.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 09:13 am
BBB
Butrflynet has had a tough year in 2007.

She had surgery to remove a 60 pound tumor;
Her brother's step son was nearly killed in a car accident;
Her father died at age 87;
Her brother was nearly killed when a tree fell on him.

All was not bad. Her health has improved. She volunteered to work in the Obama campaign and made lots of new friends who admire her including a personal thanks phone call from Obama. She had a sad but joyous a reunion and stay in touch with a large group of her dad's family in Massachusets. Her mom got a year older but remains healthy.

Love ya, Butrflynet, hope 2008 is a better year.

BBB
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TTH
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 09:56 am
Butrflynet
I am sorry for your loss. I did see your post but, I didn't have a chance to respond until now.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 10:12 am
Thanks TTH. I saw yours too, about your dad, but have been unable to revisit it to post my condolences to you. There are such similar parallells and events in their lives and our involvement in their deaths that it was difficult for me to read about your dad without sobbing for my own loss for hours after reading it.

It sounds as if they were both handsome, gentle souls who had daughters that loved them very much. They had a lot more than that in common and died much too soon in ways no daughter should ever have to experience with her father. It's the memory of those last few days that haunt me. I just can't get it out of my head so I can move on.

I hope things are easing a bit for you now.
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TTH
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 11:33 pm
Butrflynet
I cry everyday. I can't seem to help it. It hurt so much to hold his hand and be there as he took his last breath. I promised him I wouldn't leave him and wouldn't let him die alone. I kept my promise and the whole experience is just tearing me up inside. I never realized how much it would affect me afterwards.

Your post has me in tears but, maybe that is a good thing. I don't know.
Thank you for what you wrote. For some reason, I feel it has helped me and I can't explain why.
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Aimus
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 06:21 pm
Eligibility of Burial
What branch of service was your father in and from what years? Was he a reservist or full military? How was he discharged (anything medical or early out)? I will try to find info for you if I can.
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Aimus
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 06:42 pm
Dept Veteran Affairs: Denial of burial plot benefits for da
I didn't read the last chats on this before I posted my comment, but I would like to say how amazingly brave you were for being there with your dad. I know it's tearing you up inside, but try to think about it in a different light. Maybe you were the only one he felt that could be there for him and guide him through it. (Please don't cry!) It's not everyday that a child is able to be there for a parent, especially during a time of total weakness. They like to hide those things from their children. I'm sure it's hard now, but maybe during those last moments, he was still trying to teach something. Eventually, you will not focus on the last moments, but will be able to remember the good times and when he was in good health. I'm not going to say time is a healer, but sometimes, distance is (or looking at it from a different perspective). I think you will be fine and grow from the experience he gave you. I think he knew you would help your family grieve and live.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 27 Sep, 2007 06:45 pm
Amius
Amius, you are very caring and wise.

BBB
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