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Grammar question

 
 
Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2014 08:38 am
So my employer made a correction with my work.

My question now is which one is correct:

Hi, what size of mattress does the king size bed take?

or

Hi, what size mattress does the king size bed take?

The first one is what I submitted, but my employer "Hi, what size mattress does the king size bed take?" is correct.
 
Ragman
 
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Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2014 10:33 am
@PermafrostLerinbaine,
Your boss is correct.
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contrex
 
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Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2014 10:53 am
@PermafrostLerinbaine,
PermafrostLerinbaine wrote:
Hi, what size of mattress does the king size bed take?
Hi, what size mattress does the king size bed take?

Both are correct.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2014 11:01 am
@contrex,
I agree, but "of" is really not required.
PermafrostLerinbaine
 
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Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2014 11:19 am
Thanks, guys! By the way, I am not a native English-speaker.

Does it also apply in this context: Hi, what color sham does the set include?

Also, will saying "mattress size" be fine too instead of "size mattress"?



cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2014 11:25 am
@PermafrostLerinbaine,
Yes.
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PermafrostLerinbaine
 
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Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2014 11:26 am
You guys are very helpful. Thanks!
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2014 11:37 am
@PermafrostLerinbaine,
Perm one might hyphenate "king-size" as a compound modifier

http://www.dailywritingtips.com/size-matters/
contrex
 
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Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2014 01:39 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I agree, but "of" is really not required.


No, 'of' is not required, and neither is it wrong.

What size of mattress
What size mattress

Both OK. Neither is wrong.


ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2014 02:17 pm
@dalehileman,
I've never seen that hyphenated. I'm not saying that you haven't, Dale.


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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2014 02:17 pm
@contrex,
That's what I said. What's your point?
contrex
 
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Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2014 03:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
That's what I said. What's your point?

No particular point, except perhaps clarification for the OP. What's your problem?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2014 04:22 pm
@contrex,
None. Just ask'n. That's a problem? LOL
contrex
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2014 12:13 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

None. Just ask'n. That's a problem? LOL


Not a problem, but I just felt that a not-native speaker might think that your bare "not required" might be interpreted as "not allowed" or "deprecated".
contrex
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2014 12:15 am
@dalehileman,
dalehileman wrote:

Perm one might hyphenate "king-size" as a compound modifier

http://www.dailywritingtips.com/size-matters/


These have been dying out in British English since at least the 1930s. No more machine-guns, jack-hammers, top-hats, snow-boots etc.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2014 09:48 am
@contrex,
How anyone interprets my posts is their choice.
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2014 10:45 am
@contrex,
Quote:
No more machine-guns, jack-hammers, top-hats, snow-boots etc
Sorry Con but you misunderstand. A compound modifier is two or more words that constitute usually an adjective. Often in these cases the hyphen is absolutely essential

For instance machine-gun controller, where without the hyphen we could imagine a gun control by a machine
contrex
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2014 12:32 pm
@dalehileman,
dalehileman wrote:
Sorry Con but you misunderstand. A compound modifier is two or more words that constitute usually an adjective. Often in these cases the hyphen is absolutely essential

You're right. I realised after it was too late to edit my post. We are talking about ten-ton weights, five-mile hikes, six-hour waits, etc.

I had an idea that maybe British English was less strict than US English, but to my surprise I find that some say it is the other way around:

Grammar Monster says:

Quote:
In the UK, your readers will expect you to use hyphens in compound adjectives.

In the US, your readers will be more lenient. The US ruling is: Use a hyphen if it eliminates ambiguity or helps your reader, else don't bother. If you're unsure, use hyphens. You won't be marked down for using hyphens.

The Hyphen Might Be Essential

Sometimes, a hyphen is essential to avoid ambiguity. Look at these examples:

a heavy-metal detector
a heavy metal detector

Both are correct, but they mean different things. The first device detects heavy metals. The second device detects metal, and the device is heavy. If we're talking about a device that detects heavy metals, then putting heavy metal detector would be wrong in the UK and the US.


My own experience is that UK writers often omit the hyphen from a compound modifier if there is felt to be no ambiguity.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2014 12:59 pm
@contrex,
Thanks Con for that report
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