Ebola in The USA

It's very likely. People who start receiving treatment immediately upon onset of symptoms have a high rate of recovery.

More importantly, when is the all clear coming?

Maybe Google has a weather report from Hell.

Are you worried that it may never be safe to eat roadside faeces ever again?

Well, you know. It's not the top of the list.

There are a few posters on these fora that would benefit from the warning.

That way it might not start coming out of their mouths.

This part of the discussion reminds me of a conversation from the series "The Newsroom"...an episode that I watched just last night. Here is the dialogue between news producer Don Keiffer and the corporate lawyer, Rebecca Halliday.

Halliday : I got your text.

Don : I've decided to counter-sue Jerry.

Halliday : Of course.

Don : I'm fighting back.

Halliday : What are you suing him for?

Don : To fight back.

Halliday : I meant exactly what are you

Don : You ready?

Halliday : I'm sorry?

Don : I said you ready?

Halliday : Give it to me.

Don : Intentional affliction of emotional distress.

Halliday : How do you even know?

Don : I Googled it.

Halliday : There are four elements. One: He acted intentionally.

Don : By doctoring the tape.

Halliday : Two: His conduct was extreme and outrageous.

Don : He doctored the tape.

Halliday : Three: You suffered distress.

Don : I am in extreme distress.

Halliday : And four: His act caused your distress.

Don : He doctored the motherfucking tape, Rebecca.

Halliday : You sound upset.

Don : Do I? He doctored the tape and he gets to sue us? I gave him a bad job recommendation 'cause he doctored the tape and he gets to sue me? The people who want tort reform, they got a point.

Halliday : Yes.

Don : The things you're allowed to sue for and be taken seriously. And so we come with just how stupid lawyers worry we are.

Halliday : I lost you in the middle of that.

Don : You know what it says on a box of chocolate pudding mix? "Caution, pudding will get hot when heated."

Go to a hotel, you know what it says on the shower cap in the bathroom? "Fits one head."

Halliday : You wear a shower cap?

Don : I read. And I'm dying to know the suit that prompted lawyers to insist on the shower cap directions.

Look at the box your iron came in.

It says, "Warning, do not iron clothes while wearing them."

Do we really have to slow down for these people?

Halliday : Leona's leaving the decision to Reese.

Don : I know.

Monolith Dingbat Jason Chaffetz: "Why not have the SURGEON GENERAL head this up?"

Seriously, if Democrats don't put THIS pitiful performance into a TV ad they DESERVE to lose the election!

Amazing colossal dingbat Jason Chaffetz, apparently unaware that THERE IS no Surgeon General because Senate Republicans have been BLOCKING the APPOINTMENT of one for over a year, criticizes Obama for appointing Ron Clain to head the response to ebola instead of letting "the Surgeon General head this up." To add insult to injury (for the American Public), the REASON they're blocking Obama's appointment of a Surgeon General is because THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION doesn't like him.

Alright, you Democratic Party campaign people out there...just how hard would it be to slap together a 10 second campaign add showing this:

Chaffetz saying "(Ebola) why not just let the Surgeon General head this up?"

Then cut to a text window saying "Because Senate Republicans have been BLOCKING the appointment of a Surgeon General for over a year, that's why.

You are merely obscuring the problem of the evident ineptitude of the government in handling the Ebola issue, and throwing uip some "gorilla dust" to distract attention.

There is no reason to believe that had the President appointed a Surgeon General whom the senate would approve, that anything would be dfifferent now. Moreover, now that the Democrat controlled Senate has enacted a simple majority standard for such confirmantions, they have it wntirely within their power - with zero support from Republicans - to confirm the nominee any time they choose, and have had that power for most of the past year. If there hasn't been a vote to confirm it is because Harry Reid and the sitting Democrat Senators don't want one.

The President appears annoyed and frustrated that the public hasn't accepted his lame, empty reassurances at face value - even as unfolding events have given the lie to his bland pronouncements.

On a larger scale the avid enthusiasm with which you and other "progressive" supoporters lap up these obviously bullshit excuses is evidency of your own sappy credulity and lack of critical thinking.

Good question. If one has been sounded in Dallas, it wasn't done with as much fanfare as the notice that Ebola had come to the city. It may be that no one wants to go out on a limb and say "All's Clear," only to have another case pop up the next day.

As a kid, I had a chronic illness that caused me to lose a lot of time from school. The teachers worked with my mother to provide for extended periods of "home-schooling," and it worked out just fine. I don't have little kids anymore but I think, if we did, we could keep them up to speed for as long as necessary.

right, they cant do it before the election because they think it might sink any chance they have of holding onto the Senate, which are rapidly vanishing anyways. Slate had a good look at what the D's did wrong.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/03/vivek_murthy_s_surgeon_general_nomination_halted_by_democrats_how_the_nra.html

Fear of Ebola versus fear of AIDS...a very interesting story
Ebola: From Microscope to Spotlight

Here are some snips of the article from Emory Hospital

International media coverage of the treatment of patients at Emory University Hospital (EUH), two patients sent to the Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha, and two cases at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas has focused attention on the Ebola crisis and spurred increased response from the American government and governments around the world. This support is critical, according to the World Health Organization (WHO), which warns that the disease could become endemic, infecting more than one million people by January, if efforts to thwart its spread are not “drastically escalated.”

At Emory, infectious diseases specialist Bruce Ribner had been preparing for twelve years to treat a case like Brantly’s.

In 2002, officials with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) approached Emory with the request that the two organizations work together to develop a special isolation unit at EUH. They wanted a secure place to bring CDC employees—from the headquarters or from the field—who had been exposed to or infected with any number of dangerous pathogens.

Slabach remembers encountering the subject of Ebola as a high school student in Virginia when he read The Hot Zone by Richard Preston. The 1994 best seller examined the origins of the Ebola viruses and gave vivid descriptions of early outbreaks in Africa and one in a primate facility in Reston, Virginia, that had government agencies frantically working to identify and contain the deadly virus.

The gruesome depictions of Ebola’s symptoms in the book and in movies like Outbreak, as well as the widely publicized 40 to 90 percent mortality rate of the disease, were fuel for the explosion of negative public reaction that accompanied the first announcement that Brantly was being brought back to the US for treatment. Opponents lashed out in fear, and Ribner bore much of the impact.

(end of snips)

There's a lot more at link below. It really shows what the real human side of the fears and turmoils the medical workers went though. It makes the fear mongers of politicians seem so stupid. Just like in those early days of AIDS when it first came out.

http://www.emory.edu/EMORY_MAGAZINE/issues/2014/autumn/features/ebola.html?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_campaign=

What do people think about the new quarantine policy in New York?

I think they are generally a good idea, but at the same time we need to avoid creating a situation that would dissuade heroic doctors and nurses from joining in the all-important fight against the disease in Africa.

We should quarantine them in luxurious surroundings and compensate them financially for the time they are in quarantine.

Quarantines shouldn't be pure misery like the kind described here:


Source: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/25/few-details-offered-on-quarantines-over-ebola-drawing-criticism-from-nurse/

What ******* ineptitude? What about the ******* panic mode all you weeny Teabillies engage in? Grow the **** up and grow a pair, coward.

Its a damn mistake and a political carrot for the panic voters.

The "all clear" in Dallas should be sounded 21 days after Amber Vinson went into isolation. The "abundance of caution" criteria is that even public contacts are being monitored for 21 days. Vivson was diagnosed as ebola positive on Oct 15th and was transferred to Emory that day. As of Nov 6th everyone in Texas and Ohio will have passed the 21 day potential incubation period. Expect to get the all clear that day.

Osso asked me earlier in this thread for my opinion on the "abundance of caution" criteria being imposed. I thought it was a good idea given the lack of experience we had in the US dealing with this virus. I think the NY/NJ/IL requirement of a 21 day isolation/quarantine of any health care provider returning to this country after providing care to sick people in endemic areas is excessive.

You are still at it - diverting the conversation from your own stupid and deceptive remarks. It's clear you can't to deal in an adult manner with the exposure of the folly of your earlier stupid comment about the surgeon general.

Now you descend to crude insults, that I doubt very much you could find the courage to deliver in person. The consequences would be unpleasant and painful for you.

You are a juvenile loudmouth ass, who is able to loudly repeat the propaganda you get from others, but evidently unable to think for yourseld. You talk big while protected by the remote anonymity of the internet, but I suspect are a pipsqueak coward in person.

I was just thinking about that and came up with a week to ten days - or something like that (remembering that graphic that Finn showed re the progression, a few pages back now). As we all know, I'm a learner on all this; that graphic helped.

I guess it's complicated; what if any fever; which ebola test; the accountability (which I've taken so far as high) by the nurses and doctors to monitor their temps and report.

The description of what went on with nurse Hickox, by nurse Hickox, is, er, execrable.

Fauci weighed in against the quarantines, just read that a bit ago.