gozmo wrote:Wilso wrote:I can't go on. Considering the effect these tales having on me, I can't even begin to imagine the suffering all these children experienced at the hands of these monsters.These stories exist in the thousands.
Grow up
It's my hope that the countless number of abused children can grow up, minus the awful scars they've recieved from the organisation you love so much.
cicerone imposter wrote:Wilso, Most religions has a special hold on people that goes beyond logic or ethics. It won't be found in defenders of the 'faith.'
I have no faith to defend. However I will defend a decent community from the illogical and sweeping prejudice that Wilso promotes. He is dogmatic and unyielding in his belief and irrational in his hatred. Sounds like a christian bigot, doesn't it?
dlowan wrote:Yep - power without accountability sucks
In lots of places....
Good people still exist in such organisations - and they can do good.
Maybe a few more of these "good people" should start doing some good. INstead of just going to church every Sunday, and giving them the money they need to continue their abuse and cover ups.
Let me acknowledge that I was the one that clocked you,
wilso, because even though I tend to agree with all or at least many of your posts, I also acknowledge vast millions of believers and vast believers even among priests are ok. I may have known saints, in performance, n'er mind miracles, myself, but saints. as in really good people. For them I was offended by your all encompassing diatribes.
It is me that reported your post, the one single post of all your blasts, that was deleted, because I don't like to see flagrant red letters saying expletives in my face. The odd thing is, we actually, mostly, agree. I just don't criminalize a whole religion over time. (Well, hey I do, but not indiscriminently.)
No, before you give me nazi symbols as a catholic sympathizer, which would make anyone who knows me laugh, be quiet and listen. Vile behavior lives all over the place. Not everyone all over the place subscribes to vile.
Wilso, you are one angry person, and I hope you can strap that in, because it is quite a blast, to some extent misapplied.
You might be surprised that I am angrier at the Catholic church than you are. But because of your inchoate anger, you are flailing and also being very abusive to people on a2k. We don't need obscenties in big red letters.
Wilso wrote:dlowan wrote:Yep - power without accountability sucks
In lots of places....
Good people still exist in such organisations - and they can do good.
Maybe a few more of these "good people" should start doing some good. INstead of just going to church every Sunday, and giving them the money they need to continue their abuse and cover ups.
Well I am pleased that you hope but would be more encouraged if you actually did something to help.
I don't really care about a few deleted expletives. As you can see from all the real stories, there's enough of them to post for years and years. And I do anger easily, particularly on this subject, and I have absolutely no desire or inclination to let it go. Not while this hugely powerful, wealthy organisation continues to use it's money to protect the most vile criminals on the face of the earth. And if that offends a few catholics, tough luck.
Religions are organizations to promote morals and good behavior toward other humans (and all living things). Any religion that perpetuates paedophile activities by the "teachers" of any religion has no grounds to be respected nor defended. As Wilso opines, "the good people" of the church should demand and get full compliance with the moral and ethical standards of the church. When the leaders of the church refuse to correct the abuse, it's up to people like Wilso to make them public. Coverup is not an option.
Google search results Catholic church + paedophile.............7530 pages.
Anglican church + paedophile.............1990 pages
Baptist church + paedophile...............967 pages
Methodist church + paedophile...........505 pages
For those who believe I'm only anti catholic. It's an epidemic.
c.i.
Has it not occurred to you that the victims are in the church also; and the reason there are so many newspaper reports is because the good people of the church are taking action against the criminals. Wilso knows nothing more than you and I can read in the papers. He pretends that these matters cause him great suffering while delighting in them because it rationalises his own prejudice. He is a humbug.
Maybe the anger and hatred that Wilso displays is due to some experiences in his past.
You can continue your baiting all you like. Not gonna work.
Unlike you guys, I actually care about what's happening to these children.
Wilso wrote:
Unlike you guys, I actually care about what's happening to these children.
baseless - your anger and bias cloud your rationality. Does your hostility prove anything? On what basis - can you say or prove you care more?
Now I'm off to have dinner with my family, and my two beautiful neices, who thankfully, will NEVER have any exposure to these sick weirdo's, and their ancient superstitions.
husker,
That's low. It's the second time on this thread that that kind of ad hominem is used that I can recall.
Doesn't anyone else think it untoward?
Let's take a different scenario. Let's say a woman is arguing stridently against rape and her opponent decides to use the ad hominem of "maybe you were raped huh?"
It's usually just a meaningless, if pernicious, ad hominem.
But what if this happens to be true? Would that make you feel any better? Does deriding the individual for having endured such an act score you some points?
In short, I don't think Wilso's hyperbolic distaste of Catholics is due to some dark experience of his. But that suggestion is either a meaningless ad hominem or a deeply malicious one, and I am very surprised at the casual way that kind of thing is being used here.
Ditto.
I think that amateur shrinkerage, or psychological reductionism, is stupid, contemptuous and debasing - of its user.
However, Wilso - I ask you, in complete honesty, what are you hoping to achieve here?
I might be the one person here who blames the catholic church as fully as Wilso does/you do. I can go on and on re history. I can also go on and on in my own background with really good humans, some serious catholics.
Wilso, human life has giant vats of slime. It is fairly uniformly distributed, if you look among populations.
None of us, least of all me, are trying to get you to ignore abuse.
I would though request that I never see again giant red letters with f words as posts. I am sorry you can't put your anger into non expletive words, and wish that you would try - in other words than obscenities.
Please, Wilso, I know you are angry with reason. Could you phrase all this without expletives? If you want anyone to pay attention, you will.
I guess I missed a component of the talk here, various back and forths and sideways. I spoke for myself w/o regard to ongoing argumentation.