When has religion irked you personally and why?

Yeah, thats bull. I think its just so they can promote it as much as they possible can to young impressionable minds.

It sure does suck the way they think that the world needs to run by their rules.

Maybe she ment that they should let kids pray in school, not force them to?dunno?

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Kids (and people) can pray any time or place they want; in school or anywhere else. Prayer doesn't require vocalization, and it doesn't require group involvement. Prayer in its purest form is private and personal. Prayer isn't necessarily inhibited by group involvement or vocalization, but it also doesn't require it.

The only reason to require group vocalization is to try to involve others, and that isn't the essence of prayer, that's advetising.

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osso and fellow A2K friends. I must relate a story about a guy we met on our trans-Canada train tour. This guy, Joe, worked in Hollywood as a young man, and knew all the famous entertainers including Graucho, George Burns, Bob Hope, Bing Crosby, and many more. Once on a date, they went to a restaurant where the stars frequented, and they saw George Burns. So Joe says, "hi George!." And George says, "hi Joe!" After they left the restaurant, the girl says, I'm not impressed that you know George Burns, but that George Burns knows you! Wink

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Astute observation, CI.

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My mother told me many times that Fred Astaire gave her a box of candy. (She was an rko secretary). Not to chide my mother at this very late date, indeed I was glad for her, but recalling this reminds me to mention that celebrity 'worship' has a kinship with religion.

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osso, There's many memories and stories about our trans-Canada trip, especially with this one couple. They own a huge home in Reno and a home at Incline Village, and they've invited us to come up to stay at their place or at their home at Incline Village. Nice people. Wink

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Right, CI.! I didn't mean either my mother or your friends worshiped celebrities... but was reminded of it re the subject of this thread.

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Somethin' to consider about Astaire ... just about everything he did, Ginger Rogers did right along with him .... backwards and wearing heels.

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Right!

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They were an amazing dance team. Never get tired of wathcing them, but get tired watching them - all that energy! Wink

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osso, Didn't take it the wrong way! Wink

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You know what really gets me knoted up, is how people dont practice what they preach. Then they give a bunch of loupolds on why it is ok for them to do that. Or they just try to hide it from any condeming eyes.

Havent you ever noticed anything like that before?

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Dunno what a "loupold" is, but I find it comforting to imagine didactic idiots in the

http://www.leupold.com/products/images/Reticle_Crosshair.gif

of a LEUPOLD

All in fun of course; I see no reason to expend ammo without reasonable expectation of measureable gain. Humankind has an amazing propensity to assure a steady supply of idiots, didactic or otherwise.

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Just look at Austalia!

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Looking at religion from a totally objective point of view is a difficult talent to master. Being raised in a home where it was never discussed puts you in an amazingly neutral place. Basically, Christianity is NOT the most widespread religion world wide, therefore, what makes "them" right and the Muslims wrong? Who is to say what GOD we will face at the "pearly gates?" I'll be the first to admit that I have been bible beaten, moving into a small town at a tender age (prepubescent) that was predominatly Baptist and learning that I would forever burn for the sin of not attending the social event known as church. Sleep overs were difficult to get invited to. Very Happy

But it has taught me to appreciate that everyone has thie own beliefs and they should all be reapected equally, and not questioned as to who's is more historically correct. After all, isn't belief the same as comfort?

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An example of thg humanity and compassion of the "Christians." :Statue

Quote:

Phelps To Erect Matthew Shepard Monument
by 365Gay.com Newscenter Staff

Posted: October 3, 2003 5:57 p.m. ET

(Casper, Wyoming) Anti-gay preacher Fred Phelps has announced intentions to erect a monument to Matthew Shepard the gay college student brutally murdered five years ago near Laramie.

But, the monument will be no memorial. Phelps says the monument would be 5 to 6 feet tall and made of marble or granite. It would bear a bronze plaque bearing the image of Shepard and have an inscription reading "MATTHEW SHEPARD, Entered Hell October 12, 1998, in Defiance of God's Warning: 'Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind; it is abomination.' Leviticus 18:22."

The monument would be erected in downtown Casper, Shepard's home town.

Phelps has sent details of the monument to the city of Casper city council and there may be nothing the city can do to prevent it.

Phelps said he intends to put up the monument in City Park, already the location of a controversial statue of the Ten Commandments.

The Ten Commandments statue was donated to the city by the Fraternal Order of the Eagles in 1965.

After a court battle over a similar monument in the city of Ogden, the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that any city that displays a Ten Commandments monument on public property must also allow monuments espousing the views of other religions or political groups on that same property.

Phelps told Casper council in his letter that if it attempts to prevent him from erecting the homophobic monument he's prepared to go to court.

"That is exactly what I said would happen," said Councilwoman Barb Watters. She said she warned the city when it accepted the Ten Commandments statue that the city risked other monuments advocating anti-Semitism and hatred of other minorities.

''I think the hate language will find a very cold reception in this community,'' councilor Paul Bertoglio said. ''I think this community's backbone is going to come up and say 'We are not going to accept it.'''

The city council is looking at several options, one is fighting Phelps in court, another is moving the Ten Commandments out of the park, and yet another proposal would be to sell the land the park is on.

Phelps says he doesn't care what the city decides. If he is unable to put the statue in City Park he said he will find another location in the city.

During Shepard's funeral members of Phelps' Westoboro Baptist Church demonstrated in front of the chapel.

©365Gay.com® 2003

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It's god's works.

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Several things seriously anger me about some supposedly religious people.

When someone bombs an abortion clinic to prove it's wrong to kill unborn babies, and in the name of God -- Not only did the person break one of the Ten Commandments they claim to follow (don't kill), but also the person spat in God's face (figuratively of course -- the "spitting" aka blasphemeing) and didn't they remember the words of Jesus in their own Bible: "Love your neighbor" and "Do not repay evil for evil"?

And when the government official in Alabama acted like a child in front of the world because the statue of the Ten commandments was being removed from the buildint where he wanted it, I was a bit sympathetic at first, but also I know and respect the separation of curch and state. It just pushed him over the top to scream and cry over a chunk of rock. Just because he believes it, it doesnt mean he has the right to post it wherever he wants. It's OK if he puts it in his own office. But there's also a line theat must be recognized: Not everyone believes the same thing and some people are greatly offended by ay belief of a spiritual existance, much less a god.

I really don't want to blast religion; I believe strongly. But when people try to do what is very wrong in the name of God or Jesus or whomever they follow, it makes complete hypocrites out of everyone else who follows the same religion. Yes, I mean this goes for everyone and every faith.

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What irks me most about the religious, and the agnostic as well, they cannot stand to accept that an atheist can live in serenity with his concept of life. They have to constantly wheedle and try to upset the atheist, hoping tp goad him into accepting that he is not, after all, a true atheist. Such infantile antics; and we are expected to justify ourselves, whether we want to or not.

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Good point, edgarblythe! Though I haven't experienced it personally, I have seen it and I regret the times I have badgered peole.

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