When has religion irked you personally and why?

Now, just one page back i made a post that was, as told by Cav, on topic (I see why now - it's not terrible on topic unless you consider the context)

Yes, a kind question warrants a kind answer.

No, neither the Church nor I are creationists.

:wink:

Which is your church?

The One Church...

From which all the other Christian churches, denominations, groups and communities branched out (directly or indirectly)...

Holy, Catholic, Apostolic...

:wink:

It seems some people in the "Holy, Catholic, Apostolic" chruch have differing ideas about "creationism" from maliagar - according to the following link. c.i. http://www.cinnabarandmercury.com/religion/BookDetail.asp?item_id=63&

Hey, what would you expect in the largest and original Church? A lot of dialogue and free exchange of ideas.

But the Magisterium of the Church does NOT advocate creationism.

:wink:

the catholic encyclopedia;
The only other intelligible source of the soul's existence is God; and since the characteristic and exclusive act of the Divine Cause is creation, the soul must owe its origin to that operation.

From the same link on 'creationism.' c.i.
http://www.catholic.com/library/Creation_and_Genesis.asp

creation and creationism are variations of the same thing.

That's right. So now you know that the Church does not advocate creationism.

:wink:

Oh, no, no, no.

Very different.

As different as:

Literal and literalism...

Community and communism...

Social and socialism...

Capital and capitalism...

...you get my point.

Since earth and it's inhabitants were not created in 24/6, I wonder what the bible meant by "god rested on the 7th day? The 7th day surely can't mean 24 hours, but must mean he rested from his creation until the present time - or about 7,000 years. It shows too! The whole world's gone to pot. He should know without being told that humans need supervision. c.i

silly me I thought "Divine Cause" was creationism

From the American Heritage Dictionary: "creationism - 1. The doctrine ascribing the origin of all matter and living forms as they now exist to distinct acts of creation by God."

You're excused... common mistake.

Creationism is the attempt, by fundamentalist Christians, to uphold in one way or the other a literalist understanding of the first chapters of Genesis.

"Creationism, acceptance of the early chapters of Genesis taken literally..." - The Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy, p. 192

maliagar, I must admit that the dictionary may be wrong - - - - but I doubt it. c.i.

Not wrong. Just that it deals with popular uses (not a specialized dictionary - philosophy, theology, science).

Read carefully the article you found on that Catholic web site. Everything's there.

:wink:

Most of us humans don't use the "philosophy, theology, or science" dictionary for every day use. c.i.

Most of us humans don't have the right terminology when it comes to diagnosing an illness, fixing a car, installing more memory in our computer, investing in the stock market, learning how to play a new musical instrument, calculating the thrust a rocket needs to put an object in space, thinking about philosophical and theological issues, etc.

But terminological precision is indispensable in each and every one of those cases.

The problem is that, in our "democratic - egalitarian" culture, everybody believes to be qualified to talk about philosophy and religion... as if their limited language and common sense were enough.

And when they're shown that they don't know what they're talking about, they get offended and criticize the "elitism" of those who are better prepared...

You don't fix the Hubble telescope with a hammer... you don't cure leukemia with an aspirin, you don't examine theological and philosophical issues with slang or street language.

:wink:

Sure you can just do it in another language than english :wink: