London: a Muslim city by 2021

well yeah like totally awesome. Islam rules. So, muslim1 how long have you been a Mormon?

"Race relations
Under Islam all ethnicities are equal. Once you have submitted to Allah you are a Muslim - it doesn't matter what colour you are. End of story."

What happens if I do not "submitt" to Allah? End of me?

Nooooooooo.
I would be really pissed off if this happened. Really.

I don't have anything against muslims, lets get that straight.
But please don't try and change England!
I don't think our people would have it, and that may cause more division and tension that aready lies.

When I think of traditional London I think of the Queen, Buckingham Palace, red busses, phone booths, westminster. I think I am completely justified in wanting it to stay that way.

I will never 'submit to Allah' because I believe he doesn't exist.
However I appreciate it as part of EASTERN religion, just as I apprecaite Christainity as our traditional faith.

The only benefit I can see of London becoming muslim is maybe those F*ckers would stop bombing us.

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One word. Darfur!!.

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Appaently submission is evidenced by the flies gathering around one's corpse.

Re: London: a Muslim city by 2021
Muslim1, why did you headline this thread, London: a Muslim city by 2021? Rather inflammatory title, isnt it?

Note that the article you posted was not titled that - in fact, it quickly makes short shrift of the vision of an "Islamic revolution of 2021": reality is indeed "a long, long way" from anything like that.

The article even provides the numbers to disprove such visions:


The same Census found that the total population of London was 7,172,000. So all of 8,5% of London's population was Muslim.

How in heaven's name would you propose to go from there to "a Muslim city" by 2021?

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By the sword?

Yeah, murdering six million Londoners.. right

We might consider that an insane goal, but . . .

Hello Neo!

Where are you? You stated in another thread that you would answer questions but disappear, how does that come?


In question of the fundamentalistic Muslims goal, it is nothing compared with what the Watchtower Society teach, the organization behind Jehovahs Witnesses, that billions of people shall die in Armageddon, only some few elite Jehovahs Witnesses shall go to heaven and the rest about 10 million shall live forever on earth. The reast of more than 6 billion people shall be destroyed in Armageddon.

The difference between the religious movements are that the fundamentalistic Muslims takes it literally, which means that it is by humans and the religious leaders behind Jehovahs Witnesses, that it is by God.

They predicted first that Armageddon would be in 1914. When 1914 - 1919 have passed by, it was then moved to 1925... and then 1975.

When nothing happened in all these years, they have predicted in the name of God, as a false prophet, in accordance to Deuteronomy 18:20-22:

18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?

18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Then it should be when the 1914 generation has ended. They have now postponed it to be around 2030. The time of the largest Holocaust in the whole world history, in spite of what Christ Jesus stated in Matthew 24:36; John 3:16-18; 12:44-50

24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

12:45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.

12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.


By the way it is interesting to be aware of, the meaning of being a Muslim means, a person who has surrendered to God.

If the fundamentalistic Muslims, Imams and the rank and file really like to be Muslims in accordance to the real meaning of a Muslim, how does it then harmonize with that Allah=God is merciful and is against and will punish them who kill other people, among them children and women and why aren't real Muslims going to take stand agains them who call themselves Muslims, which kills women and children?

Why doesn't real Muslims issue "Fatwas" against all those who kills women and children instead of being silent, if they really mean that punishment has to be done by humans and not by God?

It seems to be more and more true that all religion is a snare and a racket, which are responsible for all killings of innocent people, directly or indirectly, by doctrines issued by men!

It is therefore interesting to read What Christ Jesus stated in John 8:42-44:

8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


Ps. Even Muslims believe in Christ Jesus as a Prophet and in the Scriptures, Tewrat, Zebur and Ingels. Almaida, Surra 5 eia 48-50!

How charming, a Muslim fanatic who will kill for the love of Allah, and a "Christian" fanatic who wants to see JWs killed for the love of Jesus--and now, has hit upon the happy solution of having the Muslims kill the JWs. Welcome to the rubber room.

Oh Im sure there are insane people somewhere who'd consider it a 'good' goal, but it's insane to presuppose that there is any chance in hell of it actually happening.

Without intending any disrespect for the victims of terrorism so far, you wouldnt be talking a car bomb or even a set of bombs on the underground here: six million - thats the number of Jews the Nazis killed, over a period of five or six years, using an extensive, industrialised system of extermination with massive camps across Central Europe. Just doesnt apply.

Theyd have to use a nuclear bomb of significant size - whereas up till now, the X number of explosive devices used by fundamentalist terrorists hasnt gone beyond the level of nails and cellphones. I'm very sceptical about the risk of these terrorists using WMD of such a kind: from using boxcutters on a plane to petrol bombs in the aborted attacks this weekend, Islamist terrorism has been a very low-tech affair. There's no reason to suspect they'd be halfway capable of handling anything in such an order of a mega-number of times more sophisticated.

Anyway, muslim1 wasnt of course talking about slaughter - he was implying that demographic change would make London a muslim city by 2021. Barring the evacuation of millions of existing residents, thats just statistically impossible.

Well, my tongue was in my cheek. But it is uncomfortable to keep it there. It makes the coffee run down the front of my shirt.

Yes, of course, you are right. The Idea of an Islamic London is absurd by any direction of conjecture.

It comes from me having tired of your rambling rhetoric. Since you ask the same questions over and over, what is the sense of me repeating the same answers over and over? JWs have never claimed perfection for themselves, only for God and his word.

Oh OK! Sorry about that. You dont wanna know how many people say that kind of stuff and mean it..

Hello Neo!

Good to hear lifesign from you.

The reason for asking you is because you continue with the Watchtower nonsense in different threads, about their doctrines and ban on blood, which have sent thousands of your fellow believers and their children into a premature death, thats why you still got specific questions from the scriptures and real life.

Pls. answer Elihu, Telelogist and me in the thread http://www.able2know.com/forums/about98787-0-asc-130.html

If you find it to complicated to stand up and really describe the Watchtower Societys flickering "new light", you are not alone and have my full compassion, since their doctrine has no anchoring at all in the Scriptures and real life, since it is simply doctrines of men, making the blood to an idol more important than the life itself.

What you maybe can and will, everytime you post about the Watchtower Society's ban and hypocrisy on blood, I hope at least, is if you will take in consideration and have in mind, everytime you spread their doctrines, what if someone die, based at your teaching, have you ever thought of the consequesces, that you can be held responsible against God, which I really hope you will put before men and a man made organization? Psalm 146:3-5!

At last how can you find such an excuse for your religious leaders, that they have never claimed to be perfect, when their doctrines have sent thousands and other thousands of their members and children into a premature death, based at their ban on vaccinations as the act of Satan, Organtransplantations as cannibalism and the donors personality was transferred to the receiver and that a transfusion of blood was equal to eat blood, even that it only replaces what the blood was designed to do.

What about the moralic aspect, when the Watchtower Society allow their members to be drained for whole blood, to be stored and treated for several days and again, as whole blood be injected, when they at the same time refuse their members to store their own blood before a planned surgery and not to forget take the advantage of donors blood and to be used for the accepted fractions but at the same time refuse to give blood, which even could save their fellow members lives!

To You Setanta, pls. don't put any wrong interpretations in my posts. I have never encourage anybody to harm anybody, even members of the Watchtower Society but only raised a question why Imams and Muslims don't issue a "Fatwa" against those who call themselves for Muslims and blow up themselves, woman and children, through that manifest that they don't accept all the killings they are responsible for, in accordance to what comes forth in the Quran, when they at the same time are very quick to issue fatwas over e.g. Salman Rushdie or others, whom I believe have no blood at their hands.

Yeah. Scary, eh?

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